Working on new ideas, hopefully to be successful. Only thing to do now is forge on and move forward. 

Not only that - it doesn't help when those legislators we would call our allies don't even bother to show up to some of the votes.....I looked at the voting history of some of these bills and a number of supposedly 2A friendly legislators didn't even bother to show up.  If we're going to continue to submit testimony I'd expect our "allied" legislators would show up to the hearing to vote at the minimum.  Maybe HRA would consider funding a full time lobbyist? 

What I've noticed is you find one issue that affects most 2a related people the most.  Rally behind that one cause by creating advertisements, posters, etc behind that one thing.  Then all the other things are attached to that.

I think the problem is we're trying to do too many things at once and the message gets lost in the clutter.  And people get confused.  And it seems like it's a lot of work for them to do.  The hardcore 2a supporters will do just about anything but are few in number.  The vast majority that we're trying to reach will put in minimal effort and time, so we have to focus on one thing only.

The Koko Head Petition is a good thing as it's one thing almost everyone can agree on, even the people complaining about the range in Koko Head.  And the legislature is coming to a close so we can just focus on the range improvements until the 2017 legislature comes back in session.

I agree and support any attempt to garner more participation. But, those efforts must look at the core problem: the vast majority of Hawaii's gun owners are apathetic
You can work on ways to get these folks involved by finding out why they choose not to participate, or determine what could possibly motivate them, or provide better communications to them, etc., but it is all predicated on acknowledging the obvious: their apathy

Is anarchy and revolution too much to ask? 

But seriously I want to note to everyone that the only replies I received to the e-mails I sent were from my pro gun sen and rep. And from Slom's office. 

Yes.   

I don't know what percentage of local gun owners participate on this site, but those that are, are generally pretty engaged.
Some folks may not like to write, feel inarticulate, or whatever, so maybe a "take Action" feature could be added to the forum like GOA and The NRA ILA sites.

I mentioned it in another thread that both have a canned letter that you can send to your legislators on the measure at hand. It is usually pretty good, sometimes a little self promoting, but may be modified to fit your circumstance. Or you can write one from scratch in the space provided.
Perhaps when action is needed, someone in forum leadership, or maybe Harvey can put a letter together in the same manner, and with a simple click it may be sent by any one of us to any or all of our Reps.
It's kinda like preventative maintenance,. If you make it easy, it is more likely to get done.
You guy that do forums probably have a source that can tell you if such a feature can be built in and how. I have no idea on the mechanics of something like this.
It may cost something, but lots of forums ask for support from members, and it is a worthy cause. I for one would support.
We gotta do better than what we are doing now.
Just thoughts
Aloha
Gordy

I think the apparent apathy witnessed for the current round of support against the anti-gun bills this legislative session is not the only reason.  Could it be that some within our community might have not have a problem with the stipulations entailed on those bills or, at the very least, were impartial enough that it was not a real concern? .....Kuleana

I think the apparent apathy witnessed for the current round of support against the anti-gun bills this legislative session is not the only reason.  Could it be that some within our community might have not have a problem with the stipulations entailed on those bills or, at the very least, were impartial enough that it was not a real concern?  Could it also be the possibility that some in our community actually have other issues that their own representative politicians were voting on and, perhaps, did want to maintain good relationships with them for that purpose?

Kuleana

Trying to overcome that attitude is difficult and requires a lot of energy and efforts, especially at the grassroots level...Honey girl's tutus, mother and father, and aunties and uncles are less likely to be swayed into taking action from flyers and emails....it will have to be from having conversations with those that they are close to and trust.

I don't want anyone convicted of stalking my daughter to able to own a gun. ( although I think it should be felony stalking if there's such a thing ) But "stalking" could be defined as receiving unwanted texts, emails, or phone calls, even if it's just one....

If someone is involuntarily committed to a mental institution I don't think they should have access to guns ( Temporarily ) But the bill used "hospitalization" as the operative term meaning there could be issues with medical conditions that caused some type of behavioral condition, i.e. hypoglycemia....that was the issue.

I testified against all the bills because they are flawed. Not because I'm against their reasoning.

Rap Back completely sucks and violates so many rights that that's a different conversation altogether. (IMO)

You talk about plantation mentality, but a lot of times on this forum I think it's mob mentality. "plantation mentality" is a form of mob mentality. It is the majority of folks that grew up under social circumstances that did not favor standing up for one's rights but to rather "go along to get along" mentality. That kind of reasoning may endear some as the "island style" of being laid back and going with the flow, which is good in some cases, but not when discussing changing long held beliefs and social mores.
If you're not super conservative you're not with the mob. I understand what you are saying but not sure I would agree...I don't see myself as super conservative but I try (try, being the operative word...)  not to let my stances of other issues color my desire for needed reform of our 2A infringements here. 

We need common ground. Yes...and we need that common ground to translate into action. Not just when leg is in session or submitting testimony. How many gun stores did you see with any information about these bills? I don't think I saw one. Why is that and why aren't folks talking to gun store owners and asking that they support and participate in our efforts? How many folks that belong to gun clubs used some of their "fun time" to address these bills and what they, as a club, could bring to the advocacy efforts? How many folks while at the range talked to the shooter(s) next to them about these bills?
Just my opinion.

I agree 100%.
Especially when dealing with attitudes about firearms.

Participant in the Capitol 12.