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robtmc

Moving between islands - laws?
« on: November 17, 2011, 04:35:01 PM »
I have several guns registered with Honolulu PD.  We moved to the BI a while back.  Is there any requirement to notify the local PD?  I sure cannot find anything in the Hawaii laws about that.  Only if you bring them in from out of state.

Also curious if the BI has the same "One year" long gun permit thing as Honolulu.  Assume the handgun permit thing is similar.
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s15project

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 06:38:11 PM »
Looks pretty similar to Honolulu from the info posted here:

http://www.hawaiipolice.com/firearm-registration/index.html
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robtmc

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 06:59:45 PM »
Read all that, only talks about bringing them in from out of the state as I mentioned.  Nothing about moving between counties.  Registration has the Honolulu address of course. 

Funny thing was, my wife has a little Baby Browning .25ACP that was hidden in some jewelry boxes in storage.  Found it months after moving to Honolulu.  HPD was cool, just bring it down, though way after the 72 hour limit.  I had my permit for my old 1011, and they quickly registered it to me.  Useless little thing that it is.........

Suppose I could call the BI PD, but I have an aversion to calling the police about anything.  Why I asked here don't you know............

Oh yeah, did see the permit and long gun thing this time, must have glossed over it before looking for the move info............
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s15project

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 07:06:41 PM »
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Firearm Registration
 
According to Chapter 134 of the Hawaiʻi Revised Statutes, "Firearms, Ammunition and Dangerous Weapons," all firearms in Hawaiʻi must be registered whether or not they are serviceable and no matter how they are acquired. The following exceptions apply:
 ■Registration is not mandatory for rifles and shotguns acquired in the state of Hawaiʻi prior to July, 1994.  However, one permit per rifle or shotgun was required for acquisitions between 1981 and July, 1994.
 ■Registration is not required for firearms designed to fire loose black powder and for firearms manufactured before 1899, but permits are required.
 
However, all firearms imported into Hawaiʻi from out of state must be registered.  See Registration of Firearms for more information.
 
On the Big Island, residents must register their firearms with the Hawaiʻi Police Department. Residents may apply for a permit to acquire a firearm or register their firearms at their district police station.
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Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2011, 04:31:45 AM »
Actually, this is a very interesting question. In the law I only see information about coming in from out of state. Under that premise, I would assume that you wouldn't need to re-register when changing counties.

Any other opinions on how to read the law?
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robtmc

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2011, 09:06:03 AM »
Quote from: 2aHawaii on November 18, 2011, 04:31:45 AM
Actually, this is a very interesting question. In the law I only see information about coming in from out of state. Under that premise, I would assume that you wouldn't need to re-register when changing counties.
If you take a strict reading of it, coming in from out of state is the only time registering is needed.  Gray area? 

Another gray area: I bought a LR-308 lower from Young Guns back when.  Registered it of course.  Asked what was the law once the build was complete.  No answer, other than they might like to see it again.  No law says you have to though?  So my registration says "receiver only".  A lot more than a receiver now.............
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Tom_G

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2011, 11:13:31 AM »
I seem to recall that you have to file a change of address with HPD.  But registration is a state-level process, regulated by state laws.  No individual authority given to individual counties or towns.  If your gun is registered in the state, it is registered in the state.

Or, at least, that's how I read it.
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GZire

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2011, 11:20:50 AM »
Quote from: robtmc on November 18, 2011, 09:06:03 AM
Quote from: 2aHawaii on November 18, 2011, 04:31:45 AM
Actually, this is a very interesting question. In the law I only see information about coming in from out of state. Under that premise, I would assume that you wouldn't need to re-register when changing counties.
If you take a strict reading of it, coming in from out of state is the only time registering is needed.  Gray area? 

Another gray area: I bought a LR-308 lower from Young Guns back when.  Registered it of course.  Asked what was the law once the build was complete.  No answer, other than they might like to see it again.  No law says you have to though?  So my registration says "receiver only".  A lot more than a receiver now.............

It's my understanding that it's registered as multi or multi-caliber and you would not have to bring it back in again.
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Vladimir

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2011, 04:39:31 PM »
Quote from: GZire on November 18, 2011, 11:20:50 AM
Quote from: robtmc on November 18, 2011, 09:06:03 AM
Quote from: 2aHawaii on November 18, 2011, 04:31:45 AM
Actually, this is a very interesting question. In the law I only see information about coming in from out of state. Under that premise, I would assume that you wouldn't need to re-register when changing counties.
If you take a strict reading of it, coming in from out of state is the only time registering is needed.  Gray area? 

Another gray area: I bought a LR-308 lower from Young Guns back when.  Registered it of course.  Asked what was the law once the build was complete.  No answer, other than they might like to see it again.  No law says you have to though?  So my registration says "receiver only".  A lot more than a receiver now.............

It's my understanding that it's registered as multi or multi-caliber and you would not have to bring it back in again.

I have to second GZire on this too. I had several complete HK receivers brought in and I had asked Maui Police Department if I had to bring it back to register once they were built into rifles, they told me no.

Another example was when I was converting my HK SL8 into a HK G36. I had the original markings filled and laser etched to HK G36 and it was no longer an HK SL8 so I asked MPD if I had to bring it back again and they told me no again because so long as the serial number is not changed then there is no need to re-register it.
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GZire

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2011, 05:32:23 PM »
^^^Well hello fellow HK whore.
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durkn

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2011, 06:53:44 PM »
Another HK whore?
Toku58 just picked up a clean SR9T.

The Big Island long gun permits are one year & the handgun permits are the same.
The registrations are good for the state.

I had three UZI receivers & built them out.
The registrations said receiver only.
I went back to re-register & they added barrel length.
I dont know if it would matter, if you just kept the receiver only registration.
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Vladimir

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2011, 10:26:35 PM »
Quote from: GZire on November 18, 2011, 05:32:23 PM
^^^Well hello fellow HK whore.

Yup, HK addict but sadly only have my G36 for now (sold my SAR-8, but have a CETME, kind of HK grandpa) and I'm already contemplating selling it to fund a much, much, much larger project.
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Vladimir

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2011, 10:27:48 PM »
Quote from: durkn on November 18, 2011, 06:53:44 PM
Another HK whore?
Toku58 just picked up a clean SR9T.

The Big Island long gun permits are one year & the handgun permits are the same.
The registrations are good for the state.

I had three UZI receivers & built them out.
The registrations said receiver only.
I went back to re-register & they added barrel length.
I dont know if it would matter, if you just kept the receiver only registration.

You bring up an interesting point about the barrel length when the receiver is built into a completed firearm. I'll have to ask MPD next time on that.
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Funtimes

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2011, 10:51:12 PM »
Well the fed's determine barrel length afaik. Which is from the muzzle to breach.  Basically, stick a rod of the same caliber of your firearm into the barrel record where it stops, I think!
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durkn

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2011, 09:29:09 PM »
HI county measures EVERY rifle during registration - for actual barrel length...
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GZire

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2011, 09:33:05 AM »
Quote from: Vladimir on November 19, 2011, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: GZire on November 18, 2011, 05:32:23 PM
^^^Well hello fellow HK whore.

Yup, HK addict but sadly only have my G36 for now (sold my SAR-8, but have a CETME, kind of HK grandpa) and I'm already contemplating selling it to fund a much, much, much larger project.

Wowsers, CETME is like the HK roller lock Cro Magnon.
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Vladimir

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2011, 08:17:59 PM »
Quote from: Funtimes on November 19, 2011, 10:51:12 PM
Well the fed's determine barrel length afaik. Which is from the muzzle to breach.  Basically, stick a rod of the same caliber of your firearm into the barrel record where it stops, I think!

Yeah MPD usually brings out a stick with notches cut in and marked for the measuring down the barrel length. Sometimes though they just ask what the barrel length.
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Vladimir

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2011, 08:19:02 PM »
Quote from: GZire on November 21, 2011, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Vladimir on November 19, 2011, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: GZire on November 18, 2011, 05:32:23 PM
^^^Well hello fellow HK whore.

Yup, HK addict but sadly only have my G36 for now (sold my SAR-8, but have a CETME, kind of HK grandpa) and I'm already contemplating selling it to fund a much, much, much larger project.

Wowsers, CETME is like the HK roller lock Cro Magnon.

Got the CETME with the metal handguard and bipod, almost has a FAL kind of look to it, but I need more HK's lol.
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GZire

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2011, 08:37:41 AM »
Quote from: Vladimir on November 21, 2011, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: GZire on November 21, 2011, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Vladimir on November 19, 2011, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: GZire on November 18, 2011, 05:32:23 PM
^^^Well hello fellow HK whore.

Yup, HK addict but sadly only have my G36 for now (sold my SAR-8, but have a CETME, kind of HK grandpa) and I'm already contemplating selling it to fund a much, much, much larger project.

Wowsers, CETME is like the HK roller lock Cro Magnon.

Got the CETME with the metal handguard and bipod, almost has a FAL kind of look to it, but I need more HK's lol.

I have a 93 clone on consignment and also thinking about selling my USP Match in 45 acp.
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durkn

Re: Moving between islands - laws?
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2011, 09:06:35 PM »
 I have a 93 clone on consignment and also thinking about selling my USP Match in 45 cap [/quote]

Send me some info on the match.
Would like one that's not mint.
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