http://www.kitv.com/story/31999532/shocking-video-of-submission-hold-put-on-elderly-store-owner-in-kalihi

if its any other group that NEEDS CCW its seniors.
sickening and infuriating to watch. 
shut down HOPE. We need the scales to tip back towards LAW ABIDING citizens. WTF are judges and legislators thinking about when HOPE and other leniency was/is afforded to criminals?

 

   DAAAAAMN I hope they catch those guys.

If I owned a liquor and convenience store, I would be carrying a firearm.  It is legal to carry at your place of business.  Problem is these store owners are probably afraid of guns or thinking I can call 911 and the police will save me.

And I bet the damn parents and family gonna be like, "oh they good kids just made a bad choice."   

And I bet the damn parents and family gonna be like, "oh they good kids just made a bad choice."   

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I had a whole list of excuses like that....gotta find tbe list

Watching this crap makes me wish I was in that store at that moment.

As I remember, oh so clearly from boot camp hand to hand training:

"Grab that Double Nut Sundae and squeeze it to death and/or tear it off".

Anyone choking you will soon lose interest.  Works if attacked for from the front or back as long as you keep orientation..

Only had one opportunity in my many decades to employ that tactic, and some guys pulled the bastard off before I could de-nut him.

Unfortunately, something as traumatic as that for an elderly person is enough for them to end the business an retire for good. 

This effed up state would prosecute any store owner that used a weapon to defend themselves.  "it's your duty to retreat, call 911 if you have any problems."   

there's a store near Mayor Wrights housing that doesn't let you in the store
the front is in a steel cage, like a jail cell.  there's only a window that you can talk to the cashier
you walk up to the window and tell them what you want, then they go get it.
that would make it a little less vulnerable to robbery.

on the news, HPD said this is just a product of the environment that the store is in.
just like they saying, "too bad for you.  that's just how it is.  nothing we can do to help."
in that case we must help ourselves, bc nobody else will.

It's been robbed again 
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/31999561/elderly-store-owners-robbed-twice-in-same-weekend-suspects-on-the-loose

They need an armed guard there. Is there any law that prohibits one from volunteering to stand guard?

"Police tell KITV one suspect from Friday's robbery has turned himself in, but officers could not release any more information as that suspect was a juvenile."

I say try them as adults. Play adult games reap adult consequences. This ain't Grand Theft Auto anymore.

Saw this morning that second arrest.  There were some pretty clear video of the guys that choked the woman.  It was all over social media and there were even people to (appeared) to isolate one of the guys where his face was pretty clear from the surveillance video.  Seemed like only a matter of time until they were found.

http://www.kitv.com/story/31999532/shocking-video-of-submission-hold-put-on-elderly-store-owner-in-kalihi

if its any other group that NEEDS CCW its seniors.
sickening and infuriating to watch. 
shut down HOPE. We need the scales to tip back towards LAW ABIDING citizens. WTF are judges and legislators thinking about when HOPE and other leniency was/is afforded to criminals?

I don't think that the HOPE program is to blame here.  The HOPE program is aimed at individuals that have low risk of recidivism and it seems to do quite well.  High risk individuals are not allowed into the program.

The last time i sat through a hearing where the director of the Hawaii Department of Public Safety testified, she had stated that it costs somewhere north of $40,000 a year to keep an individual in prison in Hawaii.  if i remember correctly, i think that the number was somewhere around $118 per day per individual.

Keep in mind that this was a few years ago, and the leadership has since changed, but i can't imagine that the cost has lessened at all.  Sure we can continue to lock people up, but it just becomes costly for the tax payers to incarcerate individuals that are not deterred by the prison time.  On the same token, there's no point in locking up individuals for extended periods of time if they are at a low risk of committing another crime.  To lock up low-risk individuals is just a waste of taxpayer money, and that's where the HOPE program comes in--to save taxpayer money.

of course i don't want to debate that with you since i'm sure you could defend your position with hyperbole or anecdotal evidence.  I'm coming from the perspective of policy; the statistics of the HOPE program and the cost savings to the state kind of speak for themselves.

I don't think punks like these should be locked up.

I don't think punks like these should be locked up.

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I think you just voiced what a lot of people here were thinking.

I have replied to this thread at least a half dozen times. The things I wrote each time were completely inappropriate based on the rules the mods have stated here. So each time I stopped and deleted everything I wrote. I cannot even come close to letting all of you know how angry I am at this. 

I think I need a vacation from life. 

One choice here. Catch that mother fucker and then 6 feet deep...done.

I have replied to this thread at least a half dozen times. The things I wrote each time were completely inappropriate based on the rules the mods have stated here. So each time I stopped and deleted everything I wrote. I cannot even come close to letting all of you know how angry I am at this. 

I think I need a vacation from life. 

Which rules in particular?

Which rules in particular?

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Hmmm...
I don't recall seeing any rules of conduct on this forum.