I had some trouble in the thread,

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2320.msg20246#msg20246

in Reply # 6, where I tried to use the degree symbol, ° .

As I edited the post several times over, it seemed that half the time the finished, re-saved post would show this symbol as a little square, the other half of the time it showed up correctly as the little superscripted zero, as is proper.

It actually seemed like it was alternating between successive saves of my edits.

Me?

My Browser?

You?

What's up with that?

ETA it also seemed to happen that way when I edited this post.  Hm!
ETA(2)  it looks like if I use the modify button at the TOP of the post to edit, it comes out as that little square, but if I use this little guy:



at the bottom of the post, it comes out correctly.

Double-Hm!

Terry, 230RN.

I had some trouble in the thread,

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2320.msg20246#msg20246

in Reply # 6, where I tried to use the degree symbol, ° .

As I edited the post several times over, it seemed that half the time the finished, re-saved post would show this symbol as a little square, the other half of the time it showed up correctly as the little superscripted zero, as is proper.

It actually seemed like it was alternating between successive saves of my edits.

Me?

My Browser?

You?

What's up with that?

ETA it also seemed to happen that way when I edited this post.  Hm!
ETA(2)  it looks like if I use the modify button at the TOP of the post to edit, it comes out as that little square, but if I use this little guy:



at the bottom of the post, it comes out correctly.

Double-Hm!

Terry, 230RN.

Things that make you go Hmm?

°  it shows up correctly in the reply, but when you post it, it turns into that little square.   

To clarify:

Does this look like one of those little squares you get when the machine can't interpret a character, or does it look like the superscripted "o" of the degree symbol>>>   Ã‚°

As I typed it into this editing window, it looked like the "o."

When I clicked on the little   button at the bottom of the post, it turned into a capital "A" with the little o on top of it, as in the Norwegian or Swedish alphabet.

Dang, this is hard to explain, because it keeps changing with each edit explaining what it looks like on my screen.  Hm.

The little square is just that, a little square.  It shows up when notepad or whatever can't interpret a unicode character, like the embedded line-feed/carriage return character.

Here... a screen shot, rather than re-editing this post, which changes what I am trying to explain every time I post another explanation of what's happening:



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Double-posting here so I don't mess up what I posted above with another edit.

I just noticed that the properties of  the "Modify" button at the top of the post shows this:


Xttp://2ahawaii.com/index.php?action=post;msg=20279;topic=2329.0

But the properties of the "Little Picture at the bottom of the post" shows this:

Xttp://2ahawaii.com/Themes/2aHawaii%2020/images/icons/modify_inline.gif

I am using the "X" instead of the "h" in "h t t p" so you can read it as text.

Both of these can be used to edit, so does this indicate that it is accessing two different editing functions, one of which interprets the degree symbol differently than the other?  I mentioned in another post on this matter than I thought maybe when I used the modify button it came out one way, but when I used the little picture to edit it came out wrong.

Jeeze.  I'm about ready to give up on this one and just type out "degrees" when needed.

I just use the asterisk. It's easier and people usually know what I mean.

I just use the asterisk. It's easier and people usually know what I mean.

Lot of guys do that for navigation-related stuff in das navy.

°

I really have no idea what's going on. It could just be a bug in the software. I hope that helps 

Quote from: antoinebugleboy on November 26, 2011, 06:28:42 PM

I just use the asterisk. It's easier and people usually know what I mean.

Lot of guys do that for navigation-related stuff in das navy.

True, But!

As having navigated the earth, how about the fact that numbers by use of the checksum (number after the lat/long denominator) we eliminate the need for a degree mark, Lat/long can be simplified into hours/minutes/seconds,

Rough is hours/minutes. Use checksums instead of the degree mark and it not only validates the math, but removes the need for the degree mark.  All ten powers removed after adding.

21-21N 157-57W    also written as 21-21N5 157-57W5 
(2+1+2+1=6 (21-21N6)  1+5+7+5+7=25 (157-57W no ten powers = 5)

21-21N/157-57W? Where's that? Lol

Terry, in the other post all the degree symbols seem fine to me.  Maybe it is a browser issue.  I am using Firefox.

^ That was one of my first questions:

Me?

My Browser?

You?

I'm going to assume it's my browser (IE) and probably just type out "degrees."

Thing is, early on when I first joined here, I found a significant anomoly in the way pics were represented, and 2aHawaii fixed it.

However, if everything in the world were perfect, this would be Heaven, and we all know it ain't Heaven.

Must be a new change in my browser, because I just noticed that Heavies' sig line now shows up with those little squares, where previously it was clearly readable --see attachment below.  I just ran Malwarebytes and Trend House Call (free versions) and they both came back clean for viruses, spybots, and key loggers.

One significant variable is that I recently (Wed, 23 Nov) got off the 28.8K dial-up connection and went to a high speed (1.5MB) connection.  On the other hand, Microsoft has been known to screw up stuff there was nothing wrong with, when "correcting" another bug.  I've had a lot of automatic Error Reports sent back to them, and maybe their attempts to fix those screwed something else up.  I don't think I can use system restore to backtrack because I only recently went to the high speed connection, and don't think I've established a known restore point where "The Little Square" problem did not exist.  But I'll check that out.

Anyhow, bear with me.  I suspect the problem lies in a recent update from microsoft.  Might as well blame them, right?

You guys have really helped.  I really appreciate it!

ETA: Earliest restore point is Thur, Thanksgiving day, 24 Nov, the day after I got the new connection.  I just noticed that new updates are available.  Maybe I'll try it.  Thing is, on the slower 28.8K connection, I rarely updated because the downloads took so long.  With the new high speed connection, I've been updating regularly.

Maybe I'll just quit updating again.  Most things were OK until I downloaded all the updates.

Terry, 230RN

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Quote from: Cougar8045 on November 26, 2011, 07:16:15 PM

Quote from: antoinebugleboy on November 26, 2011, 06:28:42 PM

I just use the asterisk. It's easier and people usually know what I mean.

Lot of guys do that for navigation-related stuff in das navy.

True, But!

As having navigated the earth, how about the fact that numbers by use of the checksum (number after the lat/long denominator) we eliminate the need for a degree mark, Lat/long can be simplified into hours/minutes/seconds,

Rough is hours/minutes. Use checksums instead of the degree mark and it not only validates the math, but removes the need for the degree mark.  All ten powers removed after adding.

21-21N 157-57W    also written as 21-21N5 157-57W5 
(2+1+2+1=6 (21-21N6)  1+5+7+5+7=25 (157-57W no ten powers = 5)

And you said you weren't good at numbers. 

^ That was one of my first questions:

Quote

Me?

My Browser?

You?

I'm going to assume it's my browser (IE) and probably just type out "degrees."

Thing is, early on when I first joined here, I found a significant anomoly in the way pics were represented, and 2aHawaii fixed it.

However, if everything in the world were perfect, this would be Heaven, and we all know it ain't Heaven.

Must be a new change in my browser, because I just noticed that Heavies' sig line now shows up with those little squares, where previously it was clearly readable --see attachment below.  I just ran Malwarebytes and Trend House Call (free versions) and they both came back clean for viruses, spybots, and key loggers.

One significant variable is that I recently (Wed, 23 Nov) got off the 28.8K dial-up connection and went to a high speed (1.5MB) connection.  On the other hand, Microsoft has been known to screw up stuff there was nothing wrong with, when "correcting" another bug.  I've had a lot of automatic Error Reports sent back to them, and maybe their attempts to fix those screwed something else up.  I don't think I can use system restore to backtrack because I only recently went to the high speed connection, and don't think I've established a known restore point where "The Little Square" problem did not exist.  But I'll check that out.

Anyhow, bear with me.  I suspect the problem lies in a recent update from microsoft.  Might as well blame them, right?

You guys have really helped.  I really appreciate it!

ETA: Earliest restore point is Thur, Thanksgiving day, 24 Nov, the day after I got the new connection.  I just noticed that new updates are available.  Maybe I'll try it.  Thing is, on the slower 28.8K connection, I rarely updated because the downloads took so long.  With the new high speed connection, I've been updating regularly.

Maybe I'll just quit updating again.  Most things were OK until I downloaded all the updates.

Terry, 230RN

I have taken a re-look at the time zone post on my IPhone, which runs on Safari, it too has the problems with the degree symbol. Also to add, my sig line is also as described.

With so many different browsers out there it is hard to make them all work correctly.
Oh well. 

Hey, THANKS for that info.  Very helpful!

"With so many different browsers out there it is hard to make them all work correctly."

Maybe we should demand that the government step in and standardize them all.

I mek jokie here.  You laugh, no?

At any rate, now y'all know what I meant by that "little square."

I guess I'll let it drop for now.

Terry, 230RN

I tried to make a change to fix the degrees thingy. I may have done nothing, I may have made it worse. YMMV

-40°C = -40°F

Seems OK now.

Yes on bottom edit.

Yes on top edit.

QSY to the original post in question.

Replaced the Norwegian A with ° in the post in question, still came out with the Norwegian A when saved.

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°
°
°
°
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^ Hey, look!  Boolits!

I'd let it go, 2aHawaii.