Peruta v. San Diego Decision (Read 21940 times)

yurcarmeean

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2016, 12:23:38 PM »
What a sham...
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monster796

Re: Ninth Circuit Tyranical rulling, impact on other states?
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2016, 12:25:40 PM »
Peruta v. San Diego

This is concerning:
"[W[e conclude that the protection of the Second Amendment — whatever the scope of that protection may be — simply does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public."

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Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2016, 12:29:54 PM »
Monster796: I merged your topic in with the main topic so we can hopefully keep this contained in one area.
I am not a lawyer.

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monster796

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2016, 12:58:45 PM »
The ruling will NOT affect Arizona, I don't know about the other states thought. I like Arizona :D Link below:
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2016/06/09/federal-court-gun-ruling-wont-affect-arizonans-rights/

zippz

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2016, 01:09:47 PM »
Result isn't surprising, I don't think anyone here realistically expected it to go our way.  Next step would be to pass a Federal CCW reciprocity next year.

punaperson

Re: Ninth Circuit Tyranical rulling, impact on other states?
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2016, 01:17:51 PM »
What impact does this ruling have on pro gun states within the 9th circuit? Arizona, Alaska, Guam, Nevada, Idaho, Oregon, Idaho, Montana and Washington State all fall under the 9th. Thanks!
It would have no immediate effect, but if in the future (assuming the Peruta ruling stands) any of those state legislatures passed any law that would restrict concealed carry for any reason at all to any degree at all (including a ban), it would be deemed Constitutional. Since CCW is not a "right", it is merely a "privilege", and, as Hillary Clinton puts it, "is subject to [any] commonsense regulation". And by "commonsense regulation" she means banning/prohibiting things (CCW, "assault weapons", "high capacity bullet clips", "semi-auto battlefield weapons of war", etc., etc., etc.).

PeaShooter

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2016, 03:24:21 PM »
What impact does this ruling have on pro gun states within the 9th circuit? Arizona, Alaska, Guam, Nevada, Idaho, Oregon, Idaho, Montana and Washington State all fall under the 9th. Thanks!
Yes, no immediate effect, but this encourages the western states, or any state really, to restrict concealed carry in the future. I guess you could say it's not so bad for now because multiple other districts already had similar rulings to the Peruta en banc anyway. At least with the timing of this decision, the Supreme Court petition for certiorari will have to wait for next term, and a ninth justice can be in place by then. But if Clinton appoints the next justice, maybe better to not even file the appeal.

edster48

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2016, 05:13:34 PM »
Unless president elect appoints some judges that will actually uphold the constitution, get ready to surrender your firearms.


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Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2016, 05:16:51 PM »
Unless president elect appoints some judges that will actually uphold the constitution, get ready to surrender your firearms.
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monster796

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2016, 07:02:57 PM »
It pisses me off that these tyrants are referencing law predateing the bill of rights and constitution. How is this even allowed? How can we impeach these justices?
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 07:19:56 PM by monster796 »

passivekinetic

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2016, 07:40:25 PM »
It pisses me off that these tyrants are referencing law predateing the bill of rights and constitution. How is this even allowed? How can we impeach these justices?

It's almost like they are working hard to undo the fiasco of 1776.
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Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2016, 07:49:42 PM »
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London808

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2016, 07:51:29 PM »
Result isn't surprising, I don't think anyone here realistically expected it to go our way.  Next step would be to pass a Federal CCW reciprocity next year.

Wont matter, The court has ruled the states have a right to regulate concealed carry as it is not a constituional right and as such and federal reciprocity law can just be ignored, Or as with LEOSA the requirements would just be made retarded.
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punaperson

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2016, 07:55:09 PM »
I've watched some of Reid's firearms instructional videos, but didn't know he was this passionately "political"... check out his response to today's Peruta decision. I'm sure he is speaking for lots of people... maybe not so many in Hawaii.



monster796

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2016, 03:20:07 AM »
What actions can we take at this point? Petition, contacting legislators?

Heavies

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2016, 05:04:10 AM »
What actions can we take at this point? Petition, contacting legislators?

Vote 2A as your issue.  Get other gun owners to do the same.

punaperson

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2016, 07:20:27 AM »
From an L A Times story (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-concealed-carry-20160609-snap-story.html):

In a news conference Thursday afternoon, Sheriff Ed Prieto [whose case was litigated simultaneously with Peruta] said he felt “vindicated” after the ruling.

“In Yolo County, I think this is an effective policy and it seems to have been working effectively for years,” he said.  He later questioned why people would want to carry a weapon.

“How many times have you been attacked? How many friends do you have who have been attacked? I’m not talking about the exception,” he said. “I have five daughters and I can say I would not honestly give a weapon to any one of my daughters.”

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In other words, if you are the "exception" and HAVE been attacked, shut up, because I don't want to talk about you. What he failed to say but also meant was "Even if you have been attacked, a firearm would not have helped, because everyone is as stupid, ignorant, and as untrained as my daughters and the criminal would just have taken the gun away from you and used it against you. Just call 911 and get a big dog."

* * * * *
From California State Attorney Kamala Harris (likely soon to be U.S. Senator)(http://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-kamala-d-harris-issues-statement-following-ninth-circuit-ruling):

Attorney General Kamala D. Harris today issued the following statement on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals’ ruling in Peruta v. County of San Diego:

"The devastating impact gun violence has on our communities underscores the need for common sense gun safety laws. The court's decision is a victory for public safety and sensible gun safety laws.  The ruling ensures that local law enforcement leaders have the tools they need to protect public safety by determining who can carry loaded, concealed weapons in our communities."

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I had to fix that one for her too!

"The devastating impact gun violence has on our communities underscores the need for common sense gun safety laws. The court's decision is a victory for public safety and sensible gun safety laws.  The ruling ensures that local law enforcement leaders have the tools they need to protect public safety by determining who LEGALLY can carry loaded, concealed weapons in our communities."

Everyone knows that not one single criminal has ever sought (nor will ever seek) permission from any law enforcement person or agency whether or not they may "carry loaded, concealed weapons in [their] communities". Who are the morons who believe even a single word of the crap spewed by the likes of Harris and Prieto? Oh, that's right, the majority of the people and voters in Hawaii and California...  :crazy:

ren

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2016, 07:23:17 AM »
there's that "buzz" word..."common sense"
seems that you can't apply "common sense" to the whole gender/bathroom issue but you can to gun rights  :crazy:
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drck1000

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2016, 08:01:57 AM »
From an L A Times story (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-concealed-carry-20160609-snap-story.html):

In a news conference Thursday afternoon, Sheriff Ed Prieto [whose case was litigated simultaneously with Peruta] said he felt “vindicated” after the ruling.

“In Yolo County, I think this is an effective policy and it seems to have been working effectively for years,” he said.  He later questioned why people would want to carry a weapon.

“How many times have you been attacked? How many friends do you have who have been attacked? I’m not talking about the exception,” he said. “I have five daughters and I can say I would not honestly give a weapon to any one of my daughters.”

* * * * *
In other words, if you are the "exception" and HAVE been attacked, shut up, because I don't want to talk about you. What he failed to say but also meant was "Even if you have been attacked, a firearm would not have helped, because everyone is as stupid, ignorant, and as untrained as my daughters and the criminal would just have taken the gun away from you and used it against you. Just call 911 and get a big dog."

* * * * *
From California State Attorney Kamala Harris (likely soon to be U.S. Senator)(http://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-kamala-d-harris-issues-statement-following-ninth-circuit-ruling):

Attorney General Kamala D. Harris today issued the following statement on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals’ ruling in Peruta v. County of San Diego:

"The devastating impact gun violence has on our communities underscores the need for common sense gun safety laws. The court's decision is a victory for public safety and sensible gun safety laws.  The ruling ensures that local law enforcement leaders have the tools they need to protect public safety by determining who can carry loaded, concealed weapons in our communities."

* * * * *
I had to fix that one for her too!

"The devastating impact gun violence has on our communities underscores the need for common sense gun safety laws. The court's decision is a victory for public safety and sensible gun safety laws.  The ruling ensures that local law enforcement leaders have the tools they need to protect public safety by determining who LEGALLY can carry loaded, concealed weapons in our communities."

Everyone knows that not one single criminal has ever sought (nor will ever seek) permission from any law enforcement person or agency whether or not they may "carry loaded, concealed weapons in [their] communities". Who are the morons who believe even a single word of the crap spewed by the likes of Harris and Prieto? Oh, that's right, the majority of the people and voters in Hawaii and California...  :crazy:

Well, FU Ed Prieto!  That's YOUR choice to not give a firearm to your daughters.  That's your right and your children, your choice.  Don't impose your personal beliefs on anyone else who may still enjoy the freedoms (what we have left) in this country. 

monster796

Re: Peruta v. San Diego Decision
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2016, 12:10:37 PM »
So as you guys might know, I live in Arizona now. The tyrannical 9th still covers Arizona and other states and territories thought. What I have below is a link to a letter sent to Senator Paul Ryan and Senator Mitch McConnell, from Governor Doug Ducey, requesting Arizona be removed from the jurisdiction of the 9th and added to another court or the court be restructured. It is important to note he requests this because the 9th circuit has a reversal rate of 77%!!!!!! Okay let me say it again %77 reversal rate, almost 4/5th of decisions are reversed. Wow, just wow. Again, I figured to share this here because this demonstrates the bias or incompetence within the 9th circuit.