I'm moving from WA to Maui 8/1/16 to fulfill my wife's life-long dream to live in Hawaii, but giving up CCW is freaking me out.

I confess I am a hopeful newbie, and I know many of you have survived for years in Hawaii with its horrible anti-gun laws.

However, I'm curious if the 2A movement has a coordinated effort to push for shall-issue and how I can support it?

I realize timing is everything, and you have to pick your battles.
I assume there's are bill(s) already prepped proposing shall-issue CCW waiting for the right time if it ever comes.

My point is...sign me up if there's anything I can do to help further the shall-issue cause in Hawaii.

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My theory was to propose a strict but better law to show the public there are hoops that have to be jumped through...but still making it much more possible to get a CCW?
i.e. requiring X hours of training and full competency demonstration.

I see idealistic people swing for the fences on issues and fall short because most people just don't get it and are swayed by the emotional arguments against fundamental freedoms and values.
However, we have lost our freedom one regulation and one bit at a time so it seems like that's how it has to be won back.
I realize a "nuke" like a national CCW sounds nice, but that's a long shot so we have to slog it out in the trenches in the mean time.

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I'm from WA where grass roots movements start initiatives to force the government to do things.
The government frequently fights back, but at least the people a voice and some recourse.
http://www.iandrinstitute.org/states/state.cfm?id=32

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I believe a lot more violence, terrorism, etc. is coming to the mainland and there will be a tug-o-war between the the people who don't want to be victims and the pin heads that think disarming law abiding citizens will somehow protect them from evil/violent criminals.

The natural tendency is for things to land on the side of bigger more controlling government, but maybe there's a shred of sanity where people realize  we should consider being armed and situationally aware before they are faced with "routine" terrorist attacks.

I think 10% of any group is scum and 10% will be scum if they are pretty sure they can get away with it.
On the other side 10% are positive leaders/sheep dogs that point the way and 10% will will step up when the situation calls for it.
That leaves 60% of people who live life in the herd munching away and moving with the crowd.

I think people who are members of this forum are already in the 20% of leaders.
Thank you for letting me be a part of it.

Check this out for starters

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=14103.0

I'm from WA where grass roots movements start initiatives to force the government to do things.
The government frequently fights back, but at least the people a voice and some recourse.

The "people" in Hawaii have no voice nor any recourse (other than the lowest voter turnout percentage in the U.S. selecting politicians). There is no initiative process in Hawaii. There is no referendum process in Hawaii. There is no recall process in Hawaii. There are no term limits in Hawaii. Welcome to paradise!

That's why they call the government here "of, for, and by the people"! Oh, wait... I think that should read "of, for, and by the progressive politicians of the Democratic Party and unions, etc.".
 
Bills are introduced every year to make Hawaii government more responsive to the wishes of the people (to institute all four of the above), but it is the wishes of the current (and past) legislators that have made sure none of those processes of "democracy" are possible in Hawaii. Those bills, like almost all bills that would restore any of our Second Amendment rights are typically not even given committee hearings, much less votes, even in committee, much less votes in the legislature as a whole. Go figure! I guess the people of Hawaii are deemed by "our public servants" to be too immature, irresponsible and/or incompetent to either formulate a ballot initiative or bear a firearm in public. You know, like people do in virtually every other state in the union!

I hope you and your wife enjoy Hawaii and that you have some ideas and means to help Hawaii citizens regain their rights to keep and bear arms. I know I can't figure anything out that makes a difference, so I'm all ears! 

We made it to Maui on 8/1/16, and are pretty well settled.
There is much to love about being here, but I know even on the sunny days there's a cloud of big government over Hawaii.

I realize no place is perfect and there are 50 shades of freedom throughout the United States.

I know Maui is not immune to violence, but it does seem pretty mellow here and people tend to be cool if you're cool.
I think I'd be a lot more keyed up if I was on Oahu with a million other people.

I'm digging out of a work back log, but am looking forward to connecting with any members of the gun community I can here.
- Mahalo

A bunch of us are putting together a CCW website to get people to apply in Hawaii.  www.hawaiiccw.org. 

We need help with the Maui application which is different from Oahu.  Can you go down to the Maui PD and send me a copy of the application and requirements/proceedures to apply?

A bunch of us are putting together a CCW website to get people to apply in Hawaii.  www.hawaiiccw.org. 

We need help with the Maui application which is different from Oahu.  Can you go down to the Maui PD and send me a copy of the application and requirements/proceedures to apply?

Will do. I got some mixed info about gun registration prior to arriving so my guns are arriving here via a visiting friend in early September.

I was told by a friend who lived here:

I felt like I was being booked for a crime when I registered my guns, Lots of people just don't register their guns here, and if I had it to do over I wouldn't register.

I'm guessing that was horrible advice, and would open me up to major issues down the road.
I also realize 2AHi forum participants cannot encourage unlawful behavior.

I don't like being tracked like a criminal because I own a firearm, but it appears that is a necessary evil here.
Will register then do the CCW procedure.

I'm a website developer so let me know if you get jammed up in that department.

Will do. I got some mixed info about gun registration prior to arriving so my guns are arriving here via a visiting friend in early September.

I was told by a friend who lived here:I'm guessing that was horrible advice, and would open me up to major issues down the road.
I also realize 2AHi forum participants cannot encourage unlawful behavior.

I don't like being tracked like a criminal because I own a firearm, but it appears that is a necessary evil here.
Will register then do the CCW procedure.

I'm a website developer so let me know if you get jammed up in that department.

I don't know about Maui,  but registering firearms on Oahu it's not that bad.  Equivalent to getting your CCW elsewhere like getting fingerprints, background checks, and photos taken.

Will do. I got some mixed info about gun registration prior to arriving so my guns are arriving here via a visiting friend in early September.

I was told by a friend who lived here:I'm guessing that was horrible advice, and would open me up to major issues down the road.
I also realize 2AHi forum participants cannot encourage unlawful behavior.

I don't like being tracked like a criminal because I own a firearm, but it appears that is a necessary evil here.
Will register then do the CCW procedure.

I'm a website developer so let me know if you get jammed up in that department.

Awesome! Thank you for your help and assistance!  Glad to have you on board!

Welcome to Maui if you don't know yet thier are 3 open days a month at the range here on maui you can shoot. Other weekends are for ipsic sass and trap. Also a great trap club iis maui trap and gun club. Have fun maybe we will cross paths. And for ccw last person to get one in maui was about 18yrs ago. A prosecutor but when perp was sent to jail. Chief pulled it asap..

Welcome to Maui if you don't know yet thier are 3 open days a month at the range here on maui you can shoot. Other weekends are for ipsic sass and trap. Also a great trap club iis maui trap and gun club. Have fun maybe we will cross paths. And for ccw last person to get one in maui was about 18yrs ago. A prosecutor but when perp was sent to jail. Chief pulled it asap..

Sweet. Thank you for the info. I'm betting the range is one of the best ways to connect with like minded people.

Previously we've only visited Maui in the winter-spring so landing here 8/1 has been a kinda intense climate adjustment.
I may wait to hit the range until I get caught up on work and the temp drops a bit.
I'm not vain, but I don't need everyone's first impression of me being the new guy who is dripping sweat.

I have a Maui application.

I shared it with Harvey last year, and can send it to you, Zippz.

Maui has an added layer of obstruction that makes it difficult to even apply.  There is a "firearms proficiency test" that must be submitted and signed by the person administering the test. But NO ONE on this island can tell me what the test criteria is.  Not the records dept, nor any shooting clubs, nor cops whom I've made contact with.  I have only heard suggestions of what to submit, knowing full well the whole application will be denied anyway.

My advice for Maui residents is to support HRA financially, attend NRA functions, go to the range, contact your representatives (repeatedly).  Check into this forum to see Wolfwood's updates.

You CAN NOT CARRY legally until things change.  I was advised by my cop friend that if I wanted to carry, I should look into becoming a private investigator. I would consider that once I'm done raising my kids.

In the meantime I applied for my non-resident Virginia CCW.  It's no good here, but useful in 20-some states on the mainland. 

I have a Maui application.

I shared it with Harvey last year, and can send it to you, Zippz.

Maui has an added layer of obstruction that makes it difficult to even apply.  There is a "firearms proficiency test" that must be submitted and signed by the person administering the test. But NO ONE on this island can tell me what the test criteria is.  Not the records dept, nor any shooting clubs, nor cops whom I've made contact with.  I have only heard suggestions of what to submit, knowing full well the whole application will be denied anyway.

My advice for Maui residents is to support HRA financially, attend NRA functions, go to the range, contact your representatives (repeatedly).  Check into this forum to see Wolfwood's updates.

You CAN NOT CARRY legally until things change.  I was advised by my cop friend that if I wanted to carry, I should look into becoming a private investigator. I would consider that once I'm done raising my kids.

In the meantime I applied for my non-resident Virginia CCW.  It's no good here, but useful in 20-some states on the mainland.

The test i belive stems from a similar requirement on Oahu for security guards who wish to carry firearms.

Hawaiis laws on private investigators are even more messed up then its gun laws.

Thanks, London808.  I'm not surprised. I'd rather hold onto hope that something with budge in the 9th circuit court of appeals. Not in much of a hurry for police work or investigator stuff.  But it's just amazing that you might have to think/act like a PI just to get info on how to submit a form!