NDAA passed the House today with all it's Constitutional assault language still in tact. Obama's signature is all that's needed for the dawning of our brand new police state. Cozy accommodations are waiting at Halawa Heights, Barber's Point, and the Honolulu International Airport for all you tea-baggers and occupiers out there.

At least they are creating more jobs.

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NDAA passed the House today with all it's Constitutional assault language still in tact. Obama's signature is all that's needed for the dawning of our brand new police state. Cozy accommodations are waiting at Halawa Heights, Barber's Point, and the Honolulu International Airport for all you tea-baggers and occupiers out there.

At least they are creating more jobs.

Forget that, I already do that job full time, theres no way I wanna be a hack on my Army weekends too...

Forget that, I already do that job full time, theres no way I wanna be a hack on my Army weekends too...

Notice any uptick in activity the past few days? The tin foil hats are buzzing with news that the Fema camps are going online. I had a hard time believing that stuff in the past but it looks like they are expecting widespread civil unrest.

From:
http://www.americanpendulum.com/2011/12/14/detainment-camps-going-live-fema-seeking-subcontractors-to-provide-temporary-camp-services-in-all-50-states/

For all intents and purposes, FEMA / DHS is now activating camps across the nation – in all 50 states – and ramping them up for detainment if and when the need arises.

Security, while not mentioned in the KBR release, is an issue addressed previously under guidance of the U.S. military. In an August 2009 report we highlighted that the Army is Hiring for Internment/Resettlement Specialists, in which we noted:

    It seems that the US Government is preparing for a high volume of military prisoners. We suspect these will not be foreign nationals, as we either kill them or detain them outside of the USA. So, one must conclude that these corrections, interment and resettlement specialists will be supervising US citizens. The military is calling them internment camps or resettlement camps. Back in World War II they were called by a different name.

Additionally, we have learned over the last couple of years that FEMA has  requisitioned manufacturers for 140 Million Packets of Food, Blankets, and Body Bags, while the U.S. military is Actively War Gaming ‘Large Scale Economic Breakdown’ and ‘Civil Unrest’ which includes training for over 20,000 US military personnel for contingencies that may include riots and/or mass detentions.

While mainstream media will not report this, and most of the population will either ignore it or chalk it off as being once again blown out of proportion by the alternative news sphere, the evidence is right in front of us – it is overwhelming and very compelling.

Our government is, without a doubt, preparing for an event(s) that will likely result in the mass detentions of tens of thousands of individuals across the entire United States.

Quote from: nf9648 on December 15, 2011, 06:38:57 AM

Forget that, I already do that job full time, theres no way I wanna be a hack on my Army weekends too...

Notice any uptick in activity the past few days? The tin foil hats are buzzing with news that the Fema camps are going online. I had a hard time believing that stuff in the past but it looks like they are expecting widespread civil unrest.

From:
http://www.americanpendulum.com/2011/12/14/detainment-camps-going-live-fema-seeking-subcontractors-to-provide-temporary-camp-services-in-all-50-states/

For all intents and purposes, FEMA / DHS is now activating camps across the nation – in all 50 states – and ramping them up for detainment if and when the need arises.

Security, while not mentioned in the KBR release, is an issue addressed previously under guidance of the U.S. military. In an August 2009 report we highlighted that the Army is Hiring for Internment/Resettlement Specialists, in which we noted:

    It seems that the US Government is preparing for a high volume of military prisoners. We suspect these will not be foreign nationals, as we either kill them or detain them outside of the USA. So, one must conclude that these corrections, interment and resettlement specialists will be supervising US citizens. The military is calling them internment camps or resettlement camps. Back in World War II they were called by a different name.

Additionally, we have learned over the last couple of years that FEMA has  requisitioned manufacturers for 140 Million Packets of Food, Blankets, and Body Bags, while the U.S. military is Actively War Gaming ‘Large Scale Economic Breakdown’ and ‘Civil Unrest’ which includes training for over 20,000 US military personnel for contingencies that may include riots and/or mass detentions.

While mainstream media will not report this, and most of the population will either ignore it or chalk it off as being once again blown out of proportion by the alternative news sphere, the evidence is right in front of us – it is overwhelming and very compelling.

Our government is, without a doubt, preparing for an event(s) that will likely result in the mass detentions of tens of thousands of individuals across the entire United States.

Time for the tin foil hat.......again.

from  http://endthelie.com/2011/12/07/investigating-kbr%E2%80%99s-fema-camp-%E2%80%9Cnational-quick-response-team%E2%80%9D/

On November 16th, 2011, KBR, Inc. (formerly Kellogg Brown & Root) sent out a document to various entities regarding the establishment of a  National Quick Response Team for their current contracts with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) as well as for “anticipated future contracts.”

The nature of this quick response team is highly unusual given that it is built around a 72 hour period for initial setup and 24 hours for incremental services, meaning that the contractors would have to set up equipment within 72 hours and be operational within 24.

The date of this call for contracts is quite noteworthy given that it is the day after S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act Fiscal Year 2012, was introduced.

In fact, it was likely drafted the exact same day (November 15th) as S.1867 was introduced given the fact that an email was sent out by a Kentucky state employee at 10:44 AM on the 16th.

After the Senate passed S.1867, which allows for the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or trial, the plans outlined in this project overview are quite suspicious, to say the least.

This project is also worrisome because it doesn’t appear to be a one-off or short-term contract. The document states, “Upon completion of evaluation, certain subcontractors may be invited to establish a Master Services Agreement (MSA) with pre-established lease rates and terms and conditions.”


Download the PDF and check it out for yourself.

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Star-Advertiser has a total of 2 sentences buried on page A3 halfway through an article with a different headline. Classic.

Uh, folks.... this FEMA "death camp" thing is ridiculous.

First, in the course of the video work that I do I've met a few of the directors of the different regions and many of the people in charge of FEMA services on the ground. I've been around these folks and their discussions for about 6 years and they are about saving lives in the event of an emergency and, increasingly, about finding ways to prepare for and prevent catastrophic damage to life and culture in the event of an emergency. ALL of the discussion has been about natural disasters and not terrorism or civil unrest. Granted, I spent most of that time with the region 9 folks (Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, CA and Idaho) and only passing time spent with any officials with the other regions.

Seriously, these folks couldn't get together a FEMA "death camp" if they wanted to. They aren't that together. FEMA's organizational culture is that of saving lives and preparing for natural disasters. These people are NOT killers, despots or anything of the like: they got into the job because they want to help people.

The Patriot Act put FEMA under the direct control of DHS and that is why FEMA is getting such a suspicious look these days. But that PDF details the logistics needed to supply communities with emergency supplies in the event of an infra-structure damaging event - be it terrorism or natural disaster.

Granted... it COULD be used to house civilian prisoners. I'm not saying that it is inconceivable - in fact I think it quite likely that the government and military is well prepared for civil unrest in the US. The folks in FEMA - at least the ones that I know - aren't the enemy. For the most part what they are trying to do is prevent the kind of horrid, incomplete and ineffective response that happened after Katrina.

(Which happened, in no small part, because DHS gutted FEMA's budget to pay for non-military expenses in Afghanistan...)

I think FEMA - which is an extremely civilian friendly branch of the government - is being set up to bear the brunt of anti-government sentiment. Even if FEMA Is now under DHS, do not make the mistake of thinking that the "Federal Government" is at all a single cohesive entity. Nothing, and I mean ~nothing~, could be further from the truth. I think anyone who works with government at any level would understand that and agree.

Isn't this what Obummer is trying to do?

Isn't this what Obummer is trying to do?

It is exactly what I predicted in 2008 and was a contributing factor to leaving active duty service when I did.  When he gets his second term in office I still feel our next battleground will be at home due to social-economic turmoil.

Lovely.

I've been associated with a variety of projects over the last 8 years (well before Obama got elected) to gear up both government and community preparedness for weather- and geological- based disasters. Why? Because all of our science shows that these things are increasing in severity and frequency. No, the science doesn't adequately explain why but it doesn't have to - the trend is very clear. Climate change is an absolutely real possibility even if we don't fully understand the various engines of it. The scientists overwhelmingly agree on this even if they don't agree why.

We also went that route because it was equally clear that funding for disaster relief was going to continue to shrink as our economy continued to contract and our extremely busy military and spend-happy government (yes, we spent way too much under Bush, too - stop laying all the blame on Obama or at least look further for the causes than opposite side of the isle...) would force budget decisions prioritizing other things. This is ~exactly~ why FEMA was caught with its pants down in New Orleans - along with local authorities stalling asking for help long enough to hide their dirty laundry. Which is why FEMA has increased authority to act in state disasters when the resources needed to address that disaster need to come from outside that state.

Hawaii representatives of NOAA and FEMA, as well as UH and members of Civil Defense have been leading that charge because Hawaii is WAY better at dealing with frequent natural disasters than anywhere else. The boys in the Pacific were on the ground to render aid within 24 hours of the Indonesian Tsunami.... and that's not even our country. The hazard mitigation folks saw that record and after the Katrina debacle started asking "Uh, how did you Hawaiian boys do that?"

So several years of work to get support for preemptive regional preparedness for increased natural disasters we KNOW are likely to happen, increased interagency cooperation so Katrina clusterfucks don't happen again... and people interpret this as FEMA getting ready to house US civilian prisoners?! As Obama getting ready to enslave the American Taxpayer?!

Fuck. There is simply no winning in this political climate. The house divided against itself shall not stand.

I should note that I agree that civil unrest is a huge potential. I just lay the blame for it on the large forces at play in D.C. and not necessarily the puppet figureheads or their parties that we get to see making decisions that are clearly not in our best interests.

Its just frustrating that I know how much work went into emergency preparedness to SAVE lives IN SPITE of a largely toxic political climate in D.C. It came from the ground up, from frustrated service providers on the ground, and not from the top down. I know the people who spearheaded it and added my own professional services to the effort, often unpaid (as did they), in order to make it happen on a shoestring budget... and seeing that get slathered with the "gub'mint is gonna git us!' brush is heartbreaking.

Not at all unwarranted when talking about the government, but heartbreaking all the same. That should have been a remarkable success story of the government service providers and non-government organizations partnering to do their best to respond to needs on the ground.

Oh, well.

edit- There very well be more sinister things going on that I'm not aware of. What frustrates me is that a real groundswell of government service provider activism is going to be completely overshadowed by the suspicion of sinister things, real or not.

I hear you that there are a lot of high quality people in FEMA who are working hard to do the right thing, but when they start talking about 2300lf of fencing for 300 people it makes me wonder what kind of situation would require that? Or 3600lf for 1000 people for that matter.

I hope I'm wong, clshade, but it looks like soon you guys as well as all the other men and women on the government payroll are going to have to start making some very difficult decisions about where to draw the line.

Thanks so much for coming out and saying the weather and geological disasters are getting more frequent. It's a breath of fresh air to hear the truth. Now if we could only get someone from the DOE to tell us what's really going on with the ongoing Fukushima nuclear crisis and the oil continuing to seep out in the Gulf of Mexico. Oh yeah and the methane bubbling up from under the melting ice caps. Jeez don't get me started.

I hope I'm wong, clshade, but it looks like soon you guys as well as all the other men and women on the government payroll are going to have to start making some very difficult decisions about where to draw the line.

I think we're all on the same page there. Though, full disclosure: I don't work for the fed directly. I've done contract work over the years as a videographer helping docIument the success of and need for this kind of preparedness and interagency cooperation. Also been part of the facilitation team (tech support) for the organizational meetings from time to time. I'm not an official representative or employee of any agency. I work for a non-profit that does work supporting community capacity and self sufficiency and some of that included helping with that ground up effort to influence emergency preparedness policy.

But it is just baffling. The NOAA scientists tasked with watching the weather and oceans, the USGS geologists tasked with watching the earth as it rumbles around... all of them are censored in what they can and cannot say publicly based on current policy. And current policy is, "Damn the torpedos! The 'economy" (meaning "the shareholders') comes before all else! If it is bad for business then its not real." The scientists would scream it from the rooftops until their voices were destroyed if they could - and they thought it might do some good. But they can't and it wouldn't.

What did Bush say when the towers came down? "Go shopping, America!" Absolutely shameful - but an accurate depiction of what some version of "America" perceived the problem to be and the solution for it.

The time to prepare for the perfect storm that we've been watching come at us was 20 years ago. The trend of climate change was never in question but our computer models for explaining it are incomplete and incorrect. Politicians have taken this uncertainty about WHY and spun to be uncertainty about IF. That isn't how science works. If it did then we could argue that gravity doesn't exist because we don't know exactly how it works. But... the political dialogue has been "Climate change isn't real, everything is fine so go shopping, America, because our families own the supply and distribution chains for everything you want and need. We know the value of your hard earned dollar is going down, but pitch in and do your part to keep me and my buddies rolling in it... er, I mean, to keep America going strong!"

And that doesn't even begin to touch on the other host of issues we face. Dead end energy policy based purely on profit? Large scale economic quackery benefiting the very few at the expense of everyone else?

There is plenty of evidence that these thing are dangerous for our long term stability. The folks who have been saying so for years have been marginalized and ridiculed all the same. We've been on a buy now pay later plan for a long time and the few who have been doing the buying are doing everything they can to make sure they aren't going to be the ones paying.

i have it on good faith and overall talks with many folks around the Marine Corps that they will not support any sort of military action against US citizens. times are getting dark but there are many in the govt that are spreading the word and spinning people up on the decisions that they are going to have to make if it ever comes to it.

i have it on good faith and overall talks with many folks around the Marine Corps that they will not support any sort of military action against US citizens. times are getting dark but there are many in the govt that are spreading the word and spinning people up on the decisions that they are going to have to make if it ever comes to it.

i have it on good faith and overall talks with many folks around the Marine Corps that they will not support any sort of military action against US citizens. times are getting dark but there are many in the govt that are spreading the word and spinning people up on the decisions that they are going to have to make if it ever comes to it.

Youd be surprised what people will do when the choice is follow orders or turn your own family into refugees/fugitives.  Also, consider the fact than many active duty in Hawaii from the mainland view Hawaii more foreign than domestic in a cultural sense.

Quote from: Aegis808 on December 16, 2011, 08:15:18 AM

i have it on good faith and overall talks with many folks around the Marine Corps that they will not support any sort of military action against US citizens. times are getting dark but there are many in the govt that are spreading the word and spinning people up on the decisions that they are going to have to make if it ever comes to it.

Quote from: Aegis808 on December 16, 2011, 08:15:18 AM

i have it on good faith and overall talks with many folks around the Marine Corps that they will not support any sort of military action against US citizens. times are getting dark but there are many in the govt that are spreading the word and spinning people up on the decisions that they are going to have to make if it ever comes to it.

Youd be surprised what people will do when the choice is follow orders or turn your own family into refugees/fugitives.  Also, consider the fact than many active duty in Hawaii from the mainland view Hawaii more foreign than domestic in a cultural sense.

Not to mention that it's going to be incremental in nature.  The Air Force just supplied a Predator drone overflight of a family farm in North Dakota because they ran the sheriff off with guns when he tried to serve a warrant.  Naturally, those people were dangerous right-wing radicals, capable of anything, really!  What could one little drone flight possibly hurt?  Next they'll have a platoon of Marines on standby when they raid some other dangerous radicals.  What could that hurt?  Then they'll use a Stryker brigade to quell rioting in Baltimore or NYC.  Again, what harm could that do?  It will all be for the most wonderful reasons, and in the defense of law, order, Mom, and apple pie.  The tiny few who don't follow their orders will be promptly tossed in the brig, derided by their comrades, and their families left destitute.  The military will follow orders, right up until there's open warfare in the streets, and probably for some time thereafter.  The most common excuse people make when they engage in atrocity is "I was just following orders."  To not follow an order cuts against the grain of human nature and is nearly impossible to do, even when faced with a clear-cut choice.

if they throw me in the brig then so be it, but that's also why i have a bug out bag and an exfil plan.

if they throw me in the brig then so be it, but that's also why i have a bug out bag and an exfil plan.

I'm starting to think this is the only reasonable course of action. Now the game seems to have changed and any chance of a soft landing is out the window. The streets of US cities will soon start to look like Tahrir square does today. It's past the point where calling representatives, protesting, or any other kind of dissent will make a difference and now I'm pretty certain any kind revolt is suicidal. Not that there won't be revolt and the current regime won't fall. By effectively ending centuries of civilization-stabilizing laws and allowing such massive corruption and wealth disparity they pretty much guaranteed it.

clshade

Granted... it COULD be used to house civilian prisoners. I'm not saying that it is inconceivable - in fact I think it quite likely that the government and military is well prepared for civil unrest in the US. The folks in FEMA - at least the ones that I know - aren't the enemy. For the most part what they are trying to do is prevent the kind of horrid, incomplete and ineffective response that happened after Katrina.

hvybarrels

I hope I'm wong, clshade, but it looks like soon you guys as well as all the other men and women on the government payroll are going to have to start making some very difficult decisions about where to draw the line.

Amen.

clshade, battles are won by Generals who think about what the opposing General could do.

And when a General does it, they don't call it tin-foil hattery or paranoia, or rabble-rousing.

Terry, 230RN