So, I'm new to this as well. Though I did attend the rally in January as the start of the political season, I'm not sure where to meet. Assuming it's the capital and room 229. Please correct me if different.

Thanks for taking action. That likely puts you into an elite group of maybe one half of one percent of gun owners in Hawaii. Maybe one tenth of one percent. Tell a friend.

I'll be there with my wife. Rm #229 @ 1830hrs right?

I'll be there with my wife. Rm #229 @ 1830hrs right?

Correct, 18:30 Room 229, Thanks for coming out!

So, I'm new to this as well. Though I did attend the rally in January as the start of the political season, I'm not sure where to meet. Assuming it's the capital and room 229. Please correct me if different.


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Yep, Capital room 229 18:30, 6:30 pm for those who don't speak 24 hour time. Looking forward to seeing you again!

Does anyone know if street parking is available at that time?

Does anyone know if street parking is available at that time?

There is parking under the capitol but I don't know if it is open in the evening.

That'd be great except I'm pretty sure this meeting isn't going to be a law-schoolish discussion about the legality and/or constitutionality of existing or proposed laws. I believe what they want to do is propose more "gun control". I suspect the list will include "assault weapon" ban, "high capacity" (aka "standard capacity") magazine ban, background checks for ammunition purchases, create a "handgun roster", special "gun violence prevention" tax (10%-25%) on all firearms and ammunition, "prohibited person" status  due to "hate crime" conviction (e.g. "racism" (e.g. advocating deporting illegal aliens, etc.)) etc. In other words, adopt California's "commonsense gun safety regulations". I suppose it's possible that at some point during the discussion Espero could ask "Is there anyone here who has litigated cases before the Supreme Court of the United States that would like to comment on the lawfulness of these proposals?" But I doubt it.

Plus, the really bad thing is that SCOTUS has let stand every one of those laws so far (okay, well except for the "hate crime" "racist" prohibition which I made up (but wouldn't be surprised if it exists in various jurisdictions) to show the ridiculousness of it all)).

EDIT: spelling error.

Good point, I don't want to nerd out in technical language. I think that if I put some time into it I could come up with a short and to the point comment that would explain in general terms that the proposed gun control laws are unconstitutional and/or have no proof of being effective.

Lol, thanks a million.


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So, I'm new to this as well. Though I did attend the rally in January as the start of the political season, I'm not sure where to meet. Assuming it's the capital and room 229. Please correct me if different.


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See my reply to your post here, https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23724.20


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Looking at Google maps, the entrance to the capitol underground parking lot is on Punchbowl St. across from Queens ER entrance.   There's a small green sign before the driveway.
Never parked there before and not sure of rates but I plan to park there.
Also not sure if C&C lot across the library is cheaper.

Don't forget to record and put on YouTube lol

Question will probably come up on what do we propose to stop gun crimes and mass shootings?  We should be able to answer that question as a group.

Pass CCW shall issue?  Or at least as a compromise require a smaller pilot study first of 1,000 people?
Have harder minimum sentences on criminals that use a gun in crimes?

Question will probably come up on what do we propose to stop gun crimes and mass shootings?  We should be able to answer that question as a group.

Pass CCW shall issue?  Or at least as a compromise require a smaller pilot study first of 1,000 people?
Have harder minimum sentences on criminals that use a gun in crimes?

Enforce laws already in place
Keep criminals in prison rather than releasing them to commit crimes again
Mental health reform


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Question will probably come up on what do we propose to stop gun crimes and mass shootings?  We should be able to answer that question as a group.

What are the Hawaii stats on gun crimes and mass shootings?  If memory serves, the Xerox shooting was 17 years ago (1999), and the shooter owned guns legally before having mental health issues. 

Although he had a few outbursts and said some irrational things (which we see on this forum all the time!), his behavior apparently didn't rise to the level of concern for his boss or coworkers to report it to police or mental health professionals.

What changes would have prevented that shooting?  if we take away lessons learned from the mainland shootings, they have similarities, but again, what could have stopped them?

Tough questions, but passing feel good laws that do nothing but hassle gun owners isn't a solution.

What are the Hawaii stats on gun crimes and mass shootings?  If memory serves, the Xerox shooting was 17 years ago (1999), and the shooter owned guns legally before having mental health issues. 

Although he had a few outbursts and said some irrational things (which we see on this forum all the time!), his behavior apparently didn't rise to the level of concern for his boss or coworkers to report it to police or mental health professionals.

What changes would have prevented that shooting?  if we take away lessons learned from the mainland shootings, they have similarities, but again, what could have stopped them?

Tough questions, but passing feel good laws that do nothing but hassle gun owners isn't a solution.

The only thing that will stop mass shootings is universal cc, which is what Trump is calling for, and what the founding fathers intended. Doubt if that would get much traction with Espero.

But, whomever goes, please ask Espero if the intent of the law is to have everyone in the database, or just new applicants from when the law goes into effect. If it's only new applicants, point out there will be over 1 million guns not in the rap back, and the law is useless. If the law is for previous applicants, then point out the Privacy Act, and the Ex Post Facto rule.

Also for attire, it would be neat to see everyone in their ghillie suits.

Other crimes I can recall is someone using an AK47 to shoot a police officer like 10 times (he luckily survived) which was probably 25 years ago.  There was a bank robbery where someone had an AR15 and shot at a cop about 10 years ago in Kahala, but I don't think there were any injuries.

Point we can bring up is there are very few incidents for the amount of rifles we have on island, and we can't ban things for tens of thousands of people because of a handful of rare incidents by criminals.  It would be like banning buckets to prevent children from drowning in them which happens rarely.  I can't think of something a criminal rarely uses analogy.

Tough questions, but passing feel good laws that do nothing but hassle gun owners isn't a solution.

I'm definitely curious to hear/see (please, someone record it...) what happens at this meeting. Does anyone really believe the leaders of these anti civil rights groups are concerned about "solutions"? Here's an example of a firearms rights advocate attempting to have a "civil" discussion with an anti-firearm rights advocate:

A Civilized Dialogue with an Anti

http://www.ammoland.com/2016/06/a-civilized-dialogue/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=b6af3a2a4b-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-b6af3a2a4b-7178301#axzz4CVE7Z6u3

How many times have you heard a gun-banner say, “We need to have a conversation about _________ (fill in the blank: gun control, gun safety, universal background checks, etc.).”

Recently, I read a letter to the editor* of my local paper that included a similar statement;

“Through civilized dialogue, we can create viable solutions to make our community safer and a better place to live today and in the future.”

So, I decided to take up the challenge and initiate a civilized dialogue. [View article to see written exchange]

* * * * *

I'm a fan of David Codrea's maxim: "Anyone who can't be trusted with a gun can't be trusted without a custodian." Neither should those people be allowed access to automobiles, gasoline, knives, baseball bats, etc. And you're gonna have to do something about those hands, feet and fists that are used far more frequently than firearms to injure and kill people. Let's hear your "commonsense" proposal for that. How do you dtermine your priorities? I'm just sayin'...

Other crimes I can recall is someone using an AK47 to shoot a police officer like 10 times (he luckily survived) which was probably 25 years ago.  There was a bank robbery where someone had an AR15 and shot at a cop about 10 years ago in Kahala, but I don't think there were any injuries.

Point we can bring up is there are very few incidents for the amount of rifles we have on island, and we can't ban things for tens of thousands of people because of a handful of rare incidents by criminals.  It would be like banning buckets to prevent children from drowning in them which happens rarely.  I can't think of something a criminal rarely uses analogy.

Banning box cutters / razors after 9-11-2001??

Since Hawaii has the LOWEST gun death rate in the nation, what exactly is the point of new gun control laws?  Are we afraid we'll "miss the boat" to pile on the Orlando mass shooting?  Are we using fear and gun control rhetoric issued from the White House to pass more restrictions that will solve NO problems here?

Hawaii has lowest gun death rate in the nation, new analysis finds

http://khon2.com/2015/01/30/hawaii-has-lowest-gun-death-rate-in-the-nation-new-analysis-finds/

It kind of feels like we're discussing new laws on whether we should be allowed to have Dodo Birds as pets!

Question will probably come up on what do we propose to stop gun crimes and mass shootings?  We should be able to answer that question as a group.

Pass CCW shall issue?  Or at least as a compromise require a smaller pilot study first of 1,000 people?
Have harder minimum sentences on criminals that use a gun in crimes?

My thoughts to prevent gun crimes along with passing CCW, legalizing more non-lethal tools like Tasers, no knife or club restrictions, is to change current culture.   
Gun crime is made up of more than one part.   One is the tool which alone don't do anything and the other part is the individual.   If the individual is influenced by video games, movies, songs then concentrate on those things too.    I'm sick of Tarantino making violent movies then coming out for gun control.   Sick of Jessica Alba types who act in movies like Machete and then say guns are bad.   Might be missing more ideas but that's what comes to mind.

Question will probably come up on what do we propose to stop gun crimes and mass shootings?  We should be able to answer that question as a group.

Pass CCW shall issue?  Or at least as a compromise require a smaller pilot study first of 1,000 people?
Have harder minimum sentences on criminals that use a gun in crimes?

On top of some of the other ideas mentioned:

Stop giving so much publicity to the shootings and shooters. We don't need copy cats.

Improve the family environment. There is a high correlation between people who commit crimes and being raised without a father.

There are many states and cities with high rates of gun ownership and very low rates of violence. This is proof that we need to fix society, not blame guns.

The one and only legislative action that would have a major impact on reducing violent crime at this point is ending the war on drugs. Everything else either involves taking away rights and strengthening the police state, orl half measures that either don't work or make the problems worse.

We have an ever growing population of mentally unstable homeless people walking around the streets and babbling to themselves, and Democrats seem perfectly okay with this as long as the cops show up and push them out of the rich neighborhoods. Nobody cares about mental health until it's time fill out an application for something. It's a disgrace when you travel to other countries where they don't have such problems and then come back here to see our feral incapacitated population wandering around like walking dead. People see mental illness as a curse rather than a disease, making it much less likely for people to seek help. And now they want to make it even less likely for people to seek help?

Then there is income inequality. You can't legislate straight communism but there are things that can be done like rent control, changing the tax code to make it unprofitable for non residents to "invest" in real estate, and granting us an exemption to the Jones act that's chaining down our local economy. If people can't make an honest living they will do what they need to survive.