Unless I'm mistaken, the only reason a car is registered is because it is property.  In some states or counties, they charge property taxes on the value of the car.  Here, you pay by the weight, type and use of the vehicle so the state can tax you:

Didn't see anything about "driving tax".

Title conveys ownership.  You don't have to register a car if you only use it on private property.

Registration identifies legally bound registered operator for financial and legal obligations.  If you hit someone, the driver and registered owner (not always the same) can be held financially liable for any damages or injuries.

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make, but I wanted to make sure we have our facts straight.   

Not me. I am military.  I do not pay for the value of the car.

I have dealt with Espero for many years now. The last time I talked to him about his firearm, a small pistol by his description, he didn't even know where it was because he said it was being stored at someone's home.

poor accountability...is that a pre req for being a lawmaker in Hawaii?

Unless I'm mistaken, the only reason a car is registered is because it is property.  In some states or counties, they charge property taxes on the value of the car.  Here, you pay by the weight, type and use of the vehicle so the state can tax you:

Didn't see anything about "driving tax".

Title conveys ownership.  You don't have to register a car if you only use it on private property.

Registration identifies legally bound registered operator for financial and legal obligations.  If you hit someone, the driver and registered owner (not always the same) can be held financially liable for any damages or injuries.

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make, but I wanted to make sure we have our facts straight.   

If I have an off-road motocycle or vehicle, or a vehicle that I do not intend to drive on a public street, I do not need to register it. The fees are intended to maintain the infrastructure for the driving public and the administrative costs.

I have a Kawasaki Mule that I maintain for work. It has never been registered and never will be....

I have dealt with Espero for many years now. The last time I talked to him about his firearm, a small pistol by his description, he didn't even know where it was because he said it was being stored at someone's home.

I read this three or four times, and nowhere did I see "at someone's home" in the list ...

     [§134-25]  Place to keep pistol or revolver; penalty.  (a)  Except as provided in sections 134-5 and 134-9, all firearms shall be confined to the possessor's place of business, residence, or sojourn; provided that it shall be lawful to carry unloaded firearms in an enclosed container from the place of purchase to the purchaser's place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and the following:

     (1)  A place of repair;

     (2)  A target range;

     (3)  A licensed dealer's place of business;

     (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

     (5)  A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or

     (6)  A police station.

     "Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.

     (b)  Any person violating this section by carrying or possessing a loaded or unloaded pistol or revolver shall be guilty of a class B felony. [L 2006, c 66, pt of §1

 

I read this three or four times, and nowhere did I see "at someone's home" in the list ...

Yep...and you can't loan out a handgun either.

So.....

Yep...and you can't loan out a handgun either.

So.....

I think we need an opinion from Major Robinson on this one. The lawmaker potentially breaking the law? Hmmmmmmm

So a lawmaker breaking the law and wants to burden us LAW ABIDING citizens with more legislation? Fucking infuriating.

So again - what have WE done? Most of us went through the arduous process of getting a permit to acquire, waiting 2 weeks, going back to HPD main with our firearm in hand to show them what we got and this guy Espero wants to burden us with what?!  after he can't remember where his handgun is?

I sent Mr. Esepro an email as a military member.

I can unregister my car - check
I can unregister my bike - check
I can unregister my pet - check

I cannot unregister my gun.

If you have nothing to hide, why would you want to unregister your guns?   /sarc

Just for fun you could establish residence in each state requiring registration of some category of firearm (District of Columbia, Hawaii, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, and California), register them in each state, and then finally move to one of the 44 states that requires no registration of any firearm. Then if they ever come looking for you/your guns, it'd be FUBAR for them! 

I have dealt with Espero for many years now. The last time I talked to him about his firearm, a small pistol by his description, he didn't even know where it was because he said it was being stored at someone's home.

I find it hard to believe that he would reveal such a fact, though I guess I oughtn't be surprised that he either 1. doesn't know the laws regarding firearms (he just knows we need more of them), and/or 2. assumes that even if he is found out to be breaking the law that he will use one of his near infinite number of "get out of jail free" cards issued to him by his pals like major Robinson.

So for all he knows his gun is sitting on top of a nightstand, or in a bedside table drawer and there may be young children in the house (or it's an easy target for theft)?   

I find it hard to believe that he would reveal such a fact, though I guess I oughtn't be surprised that he either 1. doesn't know the laws regarding firearms (he just knows we need more of them), and/or 2. assumes that even if he is found out to be breaking the law that he will use one of his near infinite number of "get out of jail free" cards issued to him by his pals like major Robinson.

So for all he knows his gun is sitting on top of a nightstand, or in a bedside table drawer and there may be young children in the house (or it's an easy target for theft)?   

hmmm so like HART where the City Council distances themselves from any accountability and liability Mr. Espero does the same thing with "his" gun.

Mr. Espero replied and we have been exchanging cordial emails.  He has kicked me over to Maj Robinson who of course is out until the 4th but I will await his answer. If I do not get a reply from Mr. Robinson then I will forward everything to the AG Douglas Chin.

However he forwarded me an email.   Basically it states that August is the month of going live with Rapback and if you no longer possess firearms in the State of Hawaii you will be removed from Rapback.

There were three questions I asked from a military standpoint to Major Robinson.

1. What is required as proof to be removed?
2. Are all currently registered owners going into Rapback?
3. Will being removed from Rapback also de-register all guns when that person leaves?

However he forwarded me an email.   Basically it states that August is the month of going live with Rapback and if you no longer possess firearms in the State of Hawaii you will be removed from Rapback.

There were three questions I asked from a military standpoint to Major Robinson.

1. What is required as proof to be removed?
2. Are all currently registered owners going into Rapback?
3. Will being removed from Rapback also de-register all guns when that person leaves?

You can not be "Removed from rapback" you can be de-registered, meaning they no longer send reports, Your fingerprints, photo and personal information entered remains in the system.

That being said if you are military, you are already in the system so.........

You can not be "Removed from rapback" you can be de-registered, meaning they no longer send reports, Your fingerprints, photo and personal information entered remains in the system.

Word for word quote from the email from Maj Robinson.

"Any one who we enter into Rapback can be very easily removed by us. It is a simple process. So once we are aware a person no longer posses firearms in Hawaii we will remove them from Rapback."

That being said if you are military, you are already in the system so.........

Would you care to elaborate?


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That being said if you are military, you are already in the system so.........

?  Why would you say that?    I am in many government databases but they are all DoD.  Not DoJ.

?  Why would you say that?    I am in many government databases but they are all DoD.  Not DoJ.

IAFIS should be a familiar term.  That's been the FBI fingerprint ID system for a long time.

NGI (Next Generation Identification) is replacing IAFIS and adding other biometric ID artificats, like retinal scans, palm prints, and I wouldn't rule out DNA. 

RapBack is just a matching and reporting subsystem of NGI.  So, if your prints are input into NGI for RapBack, and then the subscriber cancels the report requests, or they expire based on a provided end date, those prints will remain in the NGI system.

Once they have you, they have you.

IAFIS should be a familiar term.  That's been the FBI fingerprint ID system for a long time.

NGI (Next Generation Identification) is replacing IAFIS and adding other biometric ID artificats, like retinal scans, palm prints, and I wouldn't rule out DNA. 

RapBack is just a matching and reporting subsystem of NGI.  So, if your prints are input into NGI for RapBack, and then the subscriber cancels the report requests, or they expire based on a provided end date, those prints will remain in the NGI system.

Once they have you, they have you.

So our fingerprints and DNA samples that I did back in 1991 went in for MIA reasons.  Not any FBI database.  I truly have no idea what you are talking about and I have been active duty for 25 years.

IAFIS should be a familiar term.  That's been the FBI fingerprint ID system for a long time.

NGI (Next Generation Identification) is replacing IAFIS and adding other biometric ID artificats, like retinal scans, palm prints, and I wouldn't rule out DNA. 

RapBack is just a matching and reporting subsystem of NGI.  So, if your prints are input into NGI for RapBack, and then the subscriber cancels the report requests, or they expire based on a provided end date, those prints will remain in the NGI system.

Once they have you, they have you.

And another point.   The handgun registration in the state of Hawaii only requires a thumbprint.

For them to put me in Rapback I would need to apply again to gain all of my fingerprints.  I am not applying for another permit as long as I live within the confines of this state.  That I can assure you of.