http://www.kitv.com/story/32296561/hawaii-is-1st-us-state-to-enroll-gun-owners-in-federal-database

so who do I sign up with the lawsuit?! 

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Wolfwood !!!!!!
( the bat signal just went up )

Do we have to be entered into the system to have standing in the suit ?

There must be some legal action taken. This is a threat to ownership nationally if other states sign on. Registering is one thing but getting thrown in a biometric database full of criminals is a great way to score a lot of false positives. This is harassment.

I think anyone who owned a firearm and registered whether they currently live here can be a plaintiff?
Once registered, HPD maintains that record indefinitely.

Does this affect old and new registrations?  Or just those that pay the fee?

Does this affect old and new registrations?  Or just those that pay the fee?

Goes into effect 7/1....and the fee hasn't been revealed...yet. And, what do you want to bet HPD won't accept anything but  cash and exact change?

The article says it is for the children.

Does this affect old and new registrations?  Or just those that pay the fee?

According to the KHON story, it's all applications and registrations on file.

There's also language about working with an international criminal justice organization. So I suppose the UN will have everyone's data as well. Perhaps that was really the intent of the law ?

Next time I buy a gun, if I have to consent to being in RAP-BACK and allow some international agency access to my info, I may have to cancel that purchase.

Treating gun owners like Sexual Predators is inexcusable!

co worker said, "Your fault for buying a gun!"

According to the KHON story, it's all applications and registrations on file.

There's also language about working with an international criminal justice organization. So I suppose the UN will have everyone's data as well. Perhaps that was really the intent of the law ?

I don't see it for existing owners.just new applicants.

SB 2954

     The purpose of this Act is to authorize county police departments in Hawaii to enroll firearms applicants and individuals who are registering their firearms into the rap back system.

 The issuing authority shall perform an inquiry on an applicant [who is a citizen of the United States by using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System] by using the International Justice and Public Safety Network, including the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement query, the National Crime Information Center, and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, pursuant to section 846-2.7 before any determination to issue a permit or to deny an application is made.

"(i)  No fee shall be charged for permits, or applications for permits, under this section, except for a single fee chargeable by and payable to the issuing county, for individuals applying for their first permit, in an amount equal to the fee [actually] charged by the [Federal Bureau of Investigation to the issuing police department for a fingerprint check in connection with that application or permit.] Hawaii criminal justice data center pursuant to section 846-2.7.  In the case of a joint application, the fee provided for in this section may be charged to each person to whom no previous permit has been issued."

     SECTION 5.  Statutory material to be repealed is bracketed and stricken.  New statutory material is underscored.
     SECTION 6.  This Act does not affect rights and duties that matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were begun before its effective date.
     SECTION 7.  This Act shall take effect upon its approval.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2016/bills/SB2954_HD1_.HTM

From article:

Hawaii is the first state in the U.S. to authorize county police departments to enroll firearms applicants and individuals registering their firearms in a criminal record monitoring service, according to Gov. David Ige.

I still want to be part of the lawsuit.
I just don't want to be in Rap Back.

What does new applicant mean?

Buying anything after 7/1?

What if you purchase a handgun tomorrow and register after the 2 week waiting period?

Long guns before or after 7/1?

If you already have registered stuff on file and adding more, will you be on this list?

Welp lines at HPD going to be 10 hours long.   Until 7/1 then empty.

Unfortunately the waiting period on handguns seems to prevent last minute shopping. Shouldn't there have been more of a buffer period before the bill goes into effect? Someone who has already purchased stuff and is waiting now has no choice but to enter into this system.

What does new applicant mean?

Buying anything after 7/1?

What if you purchase a handgun tomorrow and register after the 2 week waiting period?

Long guns before or after 7/1?

If you already have registered stuff on file and adding more, will you be on this list?

The statute actually doesn't say "new applicant", it says "applicants". I could see that being interpreted as everyone who has ever applied. And from the standpoint of a Dim, it probably doesn't make sense to include only new applicants.

Ige just opened up a can of worms that he and the state will not be able to handle.   HI will deserve all the lawsuits it loses.   With the money it pays out, might have to stop the rail at Aiea.
  No American has to obey any UN official, directive or law.

Very 

Sen Espero must be very proud of himself.  Thank you for trashing our rights Wil!