I am looking to replace my stock A2 with something that will keep the same level of flash hiding but will also reduce muzzle rise. I see the Surefire War Comp and It looks good but it is on the pricey side, $130 IIRC.

Anyone have any other recommendations or experience on how effective certain models are?

Thanks

BCM Mod 0 or Mod 1. Difference is the length. Good combination of compensator and flash suppressor.


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There really is nothing out there that will "keep the same level of flash hiding but will also reduce muzzle rise" as an A2. 

I am looking to replace my stock A2 with something that will keep the same level of flash hiding but will also reduce muzzle rise. I see the Surefire War Comp and It looks good but it is on the pricey side, $130 IIRC.

Anyone have any other recommendations or experience on how effective certain models are?

Thanks

An AR-15 really has a minimum of muzzle rise to start with.  If you find the muzzle isn't returning on target fast enough, don't look for accessories to fix that.   Training and proper technique will go much further than a small piece of metal on the end of the barrel.

One of the best changes you can make to help if that's really needed is weight.  The heavier the barrel & muzzle device, the more tamed the flip.

http://www.thenewrifleman.com/set-your-gun-up-to-force-effective-recoil-management/

So, once we decide the flip is more "me" and less "stuff on the barrel", we can look at flash.  The very best flash hider I've tried is the AAC Blackout.  You can get if for any caliber AR.  The design has been copied by many others, but I trust the AAC to do the job it was first designed for.

The 300 Blackout rifle and ammo were designed for better concealment.  The flash hider helps reduce the chance of being spotted while shooting, and the Blackout ammo was developed in part to be used in a suppressed rifle.  Together, they have an effective combination of low detection.  You can get the hider with or without the ratchet suppressor mount.

Here's a good demo video.  There are lots of YT videos comparing the AAC Blackout Hider with many others, including the A2.

There really is nothing out there that will "keep the same level of flash hiding but will also reduce muzzle rise" as an A2.

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There really is nothing out there that will "keep the same level of flash hiding but will also reduce muzzle rise" as an A2.

I agree that training is going to make more of a difference than any accessory. But having said that, I am still interested if it improves how well I can shoot quickly. The war comp did seem to improve on both flash hiding and muzzle rise, it is just pretty pricey thus I was considering other options.

I know the A2 isn't the best thing out there for flash hiding but are you saying that al the others that hide flash better end up with worse muzzle rise?

An interesting scientific comparison of flash hiding capabilities of various brands

Rule #1 - in the industry you get what you pay for.  You want chinese knock off cheap (less than $130) - you'll get chinese knock off quality.  B.E. Meyers 5.56 249flashider.  Hands down the best flashider available on the market.  http://bemeyers.com/products/  .  Why do you want to reduce muzzle flash anyway, Kokohead is only open during the daytime    Unless you're shooting on a mainland range. 

Look up TFB (the firearm blog) on YouTube and he does a very very good review on 20+ flash hiders and comps/ brakes.

I chose VG6 gamma for my x39 ar. I say it made a huge difference in keeping muzzle flat compared to when I had no brake on. Prob to be expected though.  I can't say bout muzzle flash as I had only shot during the day. And I never took vids to see as it doesn't bother me anyways.

It's true that technique is more important but it's your gun and do what you want with it. Make it look nuts or plain jane

Theres a balance between flash suppression and recoil dampening.
The A2 works well in balancing the 2 but you made up your mind about the Surefire so get off the fence, cry once and go buy it.

I agree the A2 is the best combination of flash hider and muzzle control, and it's cheap.  There are flash suppressors that can improve both a minuscule amount but cost way more money.

I agree that training is going to make more of a difference than any accessory. But having said that, I am still interested if it improves how well I can shoot quickly. The war comp did seem to improve on both flash hiding and muzzle rise, it is just pretty pricey thus I was considering other options.

I know the A2 isn't the best thing out there for flash hiding but are you saying that al the others that hide flash better end up with worse muzzle rise?

I answered the question as it was asked.  There are currently no other compensators, brakes or other hybrid muzzle devices that will  keep the same level of flash hiding as the A2 AND reduce muzzle rise.  There are great devices that reduce flash better than an A2 but do not necessarily make muzzle rise worse, but there are none that reduce flash as well as the A2 while reducing muzzle rise at the same time over the A2.

As for the training topic, yes training and skill increases a person's performance, but it is truly a position of ignorance to think that certain accessories like muzzle devices, even on a 5.56, do not lend to measurable increases in performance especially at certain levels of skill in various genres of shooting.  Those who generally see no difference are probably nowhere near peak performance to the point where small increments of improvement pay dividends, especially perhaps in regards to the type of shooting that they are doing.  Or their type of shooting will have no use for certain devices. In other words they may not be good enough yet to notice the difference, or if you are shooting from a bench from noon to 2pm on saturdays at a one second per shot rate of fire, the need for reduced muzzle rise or even flash hiding may not even be a concern.

You need to ask yourself honestly what your need is for the rifle?  Is flash important and why?  Is noise levels or concussive blast a concern?  Is felt recoil a concern?  Is muzzle rise an issue?  Is the weight of the device on the end of the barrel a big concern?  Once you prioritize your needs you can make a more informed or correct decision.

and that is the ultimate shooting goal - to combine speed and accuracy. Dump 50 rounds 1 MOA in the fastest time possible.
I'm not an engineer or physicist so I guess that the reason why there is a tradeoff between flash suppression and recoil dampening is that the escaping gas has to be retarded or released efficiently in a direction to mitigate muzzle rise. Perhaps an analogy is a vehicle's muffler. If you want zero exhaust pressure you can get rid of everything after the exhaust manifold - no catalyst, no muffler but your car will be loud. My guess 

I have a Battlecomp on one gun and A2 on the rest.  I've been wanting to try the BCM comp, but just haven't been able to yet. 

I've shot guns with the PWS FSC quite a bit as well as here and there with other brakes.  I just know that the PWS seems to push straight back and is pretty loud if you are anywhere besides right behind the gun.  That seems to be true for most brakes/comps and some are definitely more obnoxious than others. 

The Battlecomp seems to help with muzzle movement when compared to the A2, but very subjective.  I wanted to try side-by-side comparisons between muzzle devices and somehow measure the rearward pressure exerted by the gun through the stock.  I think there was a YouTube video where someone did that, but I can't seem to find it now. 

I haven't shot that much in low/no light.  I was concentrating more on use of light than noticing the muzzle flash though.  That and I shot a gun with an A2.  However, I recall that there were some muzzle devices that look like mini flame throwers.

Here you go.





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I agree the A2 is the best combination of flash hider and muzzle control, and it's cheap.  There are flash suppressors that can improve both a minuscule amount but cost way more money.

I guess I am evaluating whether that extra cost is worth the small gains I would see in an aftermarket device.

Without saying more, I am in a situation where I may need to use an AR-15 in a night time environment, thus my desire to maintain or improve flash hiding. capabilities. At night I would take flash hiding as more important than fighting muzzle rise anyway but if I can find a reasonable priced device that improves both then why not.

worse than taking the girlfriend shopping for hair color....

I guess I am evaluating whether that extra cost is worth the small gains I would see in an aftermarket device.

Without saying more, I am in a situation where I may need to use an AR-15 in a night time environment, thus my desire to maintain or improve flash hiding. capabilities. At night I would take flash hiding as more important than fighting muzzle rise anyway but if I can find a reasonable priced device that improves both then why not.

Really understanding your goals is important.  Not just stating what I think my goals are from the internet but truly understanding what you are looking to accomplish helps.  I understand that you are in the learning phase and your frame of reference reflects that.  What I mean here is do you understand what a night time environment entails in regards to flash and firing a weapon?  Probably not.  Are you possibly overthinking this?  Possibly.  Is that necessarily a bad thing?  Maybe.

The reality is that many who may comment have no real clue or actual experience about low or no light situations and how important, or how non important flash may or may not be given your situation.  I will say that most people far over emphasize aspects and speak from a position that lacks actual experience or relevance to the topic.  Youtube and the internet is what it is.  Anyone can be an expert these days with the quick ability to google and regurgitate information, but what they lack is actual experience where it really counts.  Don't get me wrong as I have a lot of experience here when it comes to social media and youtube and even this very topic of muzzle devices. 

Without saying more, I am in a situation where I may need to use an AR-15 in a night time environment, thus my desire to maintain or improve flash hiding. capabilities..  You really have no clue if flash suppression is better than muzzle rise in a "night time environment", even given your situation, which you feel you cannot communicate further.  Your desire to remain private about your needs is fine, but the rest tells me that your skills, training and frame of reference or personal experience in this area is pretty much non-existent.  Therefore I might think that you are much better served in trying to solve the software problem which is you, before overthinking the hardware problem, which is the device or equipment. 

Really understanding your goals is important.  Not just stating what I think my goals are from the internet but truly understanding what you are looking to accomplish helps.  I understand that you are in the learning phase and your frame of reference reflects that.  What I mean here is do you understand what a night time environment entails in regards to flash and firing a weapon?  Probably not.  Are you possibly overthinking this?  Possibly.  Is that necessarily a bad thing?  Maybe.

The reality is that many who may comment have no real clue or actual experience about low or no light situations and how important, or how non important flash may or may not be given your situation.  I will say that most people far over emphasize aspects and speak from a position that lacks actual experience or relevance to the topic.  Youtube and the internet is what it is.  Anyone can be an expert these days with the quick ability to google and regurgitate information, but what they lack is actual experience where it really counts.  Don't get me wrong as I have a lot of experience here when it comes to social media and youtube and even this very topic of muzzle devices. 

Without saying more, I am in a situation where I may need to use an AR-15 in a night time environment, thus my desire to maintain or improve flash hiding. capabilities..  You really have no clue if flash suppression is better than muzzle rise in a "night time environment", even given your situation, which you feel you cannot communicate further.  Your desire to remain private about your needs is fine, but the rest tells me that your skills, training and frame of reference or personal experience in this area is pretty much non-existent.  Therefore I might think that you are much better served in trying to solve the software problem which is you, before overthinking the hardware problem, which is the device or equipment.

I have had training in night time shooting so this isn't exactly new territory for me. Not an expert by any means though. I am just trying to make my AR the way that performs well for me. I have gone through the  process of trying different accessories and changing my setup to what works well for me.

I don't have any illusions that if I throw on a different tip it will make me some amazing gun fighter, I am merely considering a product that might provide a small improvement.

http://www.kineti-tech.com/prong-flash-hider-with-sound-director/

I use one of these on one of my AR's.  It is inexpensive, it kills flash very well,  It doesn't 'ring' too bad, it has a thread on blast deflector.  I was more concerned with killing flash and protecting my ears, than muzzle rise.   

The steel is not superb, and the blast deflector is made from aluminum.  Even though, I have not had any problems with either.  ~400-500 rounds..

http://www.kineti-tech.com/prong-flash-hider-with-sound-director/

I use one of these on one of my AR's.  It is inexpensive, it kills flash very well,  It doesn't 'ring' too bad, it has a thread on blast deflector.  I was more concerned with killing flash and protecting my ears, than muzzle rise.   

The steel is not superb, and the blast deflector is made from aluminum.  Even though, I have not had any problems with either.  ~400-500 rounds..

Interesting accessory option for the "sound director"

Do you notice any difference between it and the standard A2 in terms of recoil?