I know they don't accept pennies for traffic fines, can't say whether this would be the case with firearms fees.

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues

It's a public charge they must accept legal tender

Is this a policy or law? I haven't been able to find anything hat says this. All I can find is you can pay your fine is cash

Policy, I believe. It's been a long time, but I tried to pay in pennies once and they wouldn't take them. This was the late 80's or early 90's and this had become kind of a fad way of protesting the myriad fines imposed for virtually anything. People have grown accustomed to all the "little" laws now. Smoking, standing, sitting, breathing, etc. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, to an extent. 

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues

It's a public charge they must accept legal tender

Hey, don't let me stop you from trying, I'm just relating my experience.   

Although since 1965 any US coin or note is legal tender in any amount, a vendor has a right to  refuse to accept payment in a form or amount they deem unacceptable.   7-11 will not normally accept a $50 bill, unless what you buy is over $50,  my life insurance company only accepts checks.  So if you carried 1300 pennies to try and pay for your subscription,  you will probably be told to take it to the bank to get it converted.

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues

It's a public charge they must accept legal tender

Just like municipal bus drivers don't accept dollars or pennies for fare, and private businesses might refuse large bills over $20, HPD has the right to refuse a bunch of pennies.  The currency being legal tender in no way mandates the government to accept it.  Currency is backed by the Federal Reserve, which is not a government agency, even though the US Treasury, a government agency, mints the currency.  So, while it's legal tender, it's not something the feds can force anyone to accept.  If you want to pay with Canadian money, it's up to the organization, business or individual to decide if they will accept it.

There is a big difference between a private company (711) and a public service or government agency. what I posted comes from the federal reserve, the next paragraph goes on to explain that private company's don't have to accept payment in cash,

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Heard there was going to be a meeting June 27th, is that the case and when and where?


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The meeting on the 27th is for a group trying to start an antigun coalition,  More info found here

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23664.msg212397#msg212397

Here is the form used to enroll you into Rapback, As you can see it clearly states that FIREARMS is a valid category for enrollment, This would imply that they intend to use it for that purpose and its not just a Hawaii think.

https://forms.fbi.gov/form-1-796-rap-back-services

Firearms owners pay the fee, This fee is replacing the Background check fee. Part of entry into Rapback is an initial background check so it covers that as well. i am still trying to work out if that background check covers immigration and international databases as now required of EVERYONE non just not citizens.

Now whether its legal to charge you a fee a second time or not im not sure, Again one fo the things im looking into

The simple act of entering you into the database for the purpose of owning a firearm makes it a firearms database, im still going through the policy documents and such but my understanding is a reason for entry is attached to each subscription .

So it still remains to be seen if existing firearm owners will be charged?

I am willing to pay a small basic fee for processing since I am using a government service when doing so but one I have already registered I don't think they should be able to charge me after the fact.

I agree that it is sort of a firearms database but we still already have that at a state level. The technical issue i am focusing on is whether or not the rap back actually know what you are entered for. If all they have is a name and basic info then it isn't a federal list of gun owners. But if HPD registers us all into the rap back system as gun owners then it becomes a federal list of gun owners and can be appealed as such.

Here is the form used to enroll you into Rapback, As you can see it clearly states that FIREARMS is a valid category for enrollment, This would imply that they intend to use it for that purpose and its not just a Hawaii think.

https://forms.fbi.gov/form-1-796-rap-back-services

Thanks for posting that link.  It actually has the Privacy Act verbiage I was talking about before.  That should answer the question concerning previous registrations.  Read the third line under the first section "Authority".  That says you can't make me go back and retroactively require I sign that since the permit to apply was already approved.  Not allowed to change the rules and replay the game after the game has ended!

So it still remains to be seen if existing firearm owners will be charged?

I am willing to pay a small basic fee for processing since I am using a government service when doing so but one I have already registered I don't think they should be able to charge me after the fact.

I agree that it is sort of a firearms database but we still already have that at a state level. The technical issue i am focusing on is whether or not the rap back actually know what you are entered for. If all they have is a name and basic info then it isn't a federal list of gun owners. But if HPD registers us all into the rap back system as gun owners then it becomes a federal list of gun owners and can be appealed as such.

On the Form under RB category, One of the reasons to be entered is Firearms,

Seems like an unreasonable seizure to me.  They seized our names and ipr and entered into a database.......

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Howdy (Will?) Welcome to the forum, why don't you go here and tell us a little bit about yourself, https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=4.0


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OK, AS OF TODAY JUNE 27TH 2016

RAPBACK IS NOT IMPLENENTED,

It is not going to be ready untill the end of the year, I have confirmed this with the "  Hawaii criminal justice data center " who is required by law to handle all rap back information for the state.

On the Form under RB category, One of the reasons to be entered is Firearms,

Then that will definitely be grounds to appeal the system because of the federal laws that prevent them from having a national gun registry list.

AS OF TODAY JUNE 27th 2016

THE FBI (Hawaii Office) HAS NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE REGARDING THE IMPLANTATION OF RAPBACK FOR FIREARMS OWNERS IN HAWAII,

AS OF TODAY JUNE 27th 2016

THE HAWAII ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE HAS YET TO COMMENT.