Is it "transparency" when those responsible for implementing an existing law admit they know nothing about it? Or is that "incompetence"? I guess if they publicly admit they know nothing about the law they are charged with enforcing it'd be "transparent incompetence". 

Once again the really dirty thing is for us temporary residents.  I cannot un-register my weapons when I leave.  There is no mechanism for that. 


So no one still knows whether or not they are going to retroactively put my name in a Federal database because I moved here under Federal orders?


Sorry for the bitching guys but this state is so screwed up with this liberal feel good shit around here.  I just want to live my life with freedom and self reliance.

Once again the really dirty thing is for us temporary residents.  I cannot un-register my weapons when I leave.  There is no mechanism for that. 


So no one still knows whether or not they are going to retroactively put my name in a Federal database because I moved here under Federal orders?


Sorry for the bitching guys but this state is so screwed up with this liberal feel good shit around here.  I just want to live my life with freedom and self reliance.

Completely agree with everything said here.  It's sneaky, underhanded, and dirty.

Well, that meeting was interesting. This was a first for me. I did find that Will Espero was more faverable to the anti's. Maybe it was because there were more pro 2a guys, maybe thats how he reslly feels. London808 was shot down when the anti gun bearded guy spoke but when the pro 2a spoke and were interupted, nothing. Just my observation. I don't know what to think of the meeting. Seems like it was a conversation Will Espero was just trying to check off of his appeasement list. Thoughts?


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can someone please fill me in on the purpose of the meeting

A "dialog on the ideas of gun control"....


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Well, that meeting was interesting. This was a first for me. I did find that Will Espero was more faverable to the anti's. Maybe it was because there were more pro 2a guys, maybe thats how he reslly feels. London808 was shot down when the anti gun bearded guy spoke but when the pro 2a spoke and were interupted, nothing. Just my observation. I don't know what to think of the meeting. Seems like it was a conversation Will Espero was just trying to check off of his appeasement list. Thoughts?


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 I was kind of speaking out of turn but i made my point,

Really, I didn't notice. Lol


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Really, I didn't notice. Lol


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It's that British accent. He can cut you off and it sounds polite!

It's that British accent. He can cut you off and it sounds polite!

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Shivery, I suppose the British accent get everyone.


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Shivery, I suppose the British accent get everyone.


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I misspelled that, you get the point.


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HOLD THE FUCK UP !
can i say that here ?

I think im might be retarded ? But can some one point out to me in SB 2954 (ACT 108).  where it actually says you get enrolled into rap back ?

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TELL ME IM RIGHT http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2016/bills/SB2954_HD1_.HTM

The only part i see regarding any type of data base is  "(2)  For database management by the Hawaii criminal justice data center;"
Which is a state agency that handles background checks and not the federal database

The Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center (HCJDC) is an agency of the Department of the Attorney General in the State of Hawaii and is responsible for the statewide criminal history record information system (CJIS-Hawaii), the statewide Automated Fingerprint Identification System (AFIS), the statewide SexOffender and Other Covered Offender Registry, and the Adult Criminal Conviction Information Web Site (eCrim).
NOTHING ABOUT FEDERAL DATABASES HERE

Does it fall under the section where it says that checks shall be made using the various federal systems? So when it says that the police shall make checks using the federal systems that might entail enrolling the individual in those federal systems first.

I see where you are going with this but trying to figure out whether we have found an actual loophole.

"The police department shall perform an inquiry on the person by using the International Justice and Public Safety Network, including the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement query, the National Crime Information Center, and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, pursuant to section 846-2.7 before any determination to register a firearm is made.""

Then why does the bill abstract refer to rap back?

"by using the International Justice and Public Safety Network" aka Rapback.

Does it fall under the section where it says that checks shall be made using the various federal systems? So when it says that the police shall make checks using the federal systems that might entail enrolling the individual in those federal systems first.

I see where you are going with this but trying to figure out whether we have found an actual loophole.

"The police department shall perform an inquiry on the person by using the International Justice and Public Safety Network, including the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement query, the National Crime Information Center, and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, pursuant to section 846-2.7 before any determination to register a firearm is made.""

Well " Immigration and Customs Enforcement " is a federal agency but does not require enrollment, they have had to use this for years (thats where my problems started)
National Instant Criminal Background Check System  is used across the country and does not require enrollment
National Crime Information Center is a searchable database so does not require enrollment
 International Justice and Public Safety Network runs Nlets, which is an interstate communication and information sharing network

Not one of these has anything to do with raback

From Section 1(SB 2954),

"The rap back system is a service of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that provides continuous criminal record monitoring for authorized government agencies, including law enforcement agencies, and notifies them when an individual subject to a criminal history record check is arrested for a criminal offense anywhere in the country.  This notification will allow county police departments in Hawaii to evaluate if the owner of a firearm may continue to legally possess and own firearms."

I am afraid everyone enrolled in the rap back system is entered into some Federal database in order for the continued monitoring to take place as stated above.

"by using the International Justice and Public Safety Network" aka Rapback.

Thats used for sharing information, for example warrants and amber alerts but is not a database, also its privately operated its not FBI.