Im wondering if were all reading this wrong and they are not using the FBI's rap back system but are going to use the information from those 4 networks to built there own state version and as such bypass the USC prohibiting a federal database.

I guess i have more phone calls to make tommorow

Nope thats not it

http://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/governors-office-news-release-hawaii-becomes-first-state-in-nation-to-enroll-firearms-owners-in-centralized-information-system/

"The system, also known as the “Rap Back” system, is a service of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that provides continuous criminal record monitoring for authorized government agencies such as law enforcement agencies. The service notifies the agencies when a firearm owner is arrested for a criminal offense anywhere in the country. This will allow county police departments in Hawai‘i to evaluate whether the firearm owner may continue to legally possess and own firearms. The law also authorizes the Hawai‘i Criminal Justice Data Center to access firearm registration data."

Nope thats not it

http://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/governors-office-news-release-hawaii-becomes-first-state-in-nation-to-enroll-firearms-owners-in-centralized-information-system/

"The system, also known as the “Rap Back” system, is a service of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that provides continuous criminal record monitoring for authorized government agencies such as law enforcement agencies. The service notifies the agencies when a firearm owner is arrested for a criminal offense anywhere in the country. This will allow county police departments in Hawai‘i to evaluate whether the firearm owner may continue to legally possess and own firearms. The law also authorizes the Hawai‘i Criminal Justice Data Center to access firearm registration data."

Based on the above, in order for this initiative to work, anyone entered in Hawaii's version of Rap Back will forever be monitored for any disqualifying items and if one is realized, the county police departments are notified which they will be in a position to make a judgement of whether that individual can still legally own firearms.  Is this interpretation correct?  If so, everyone enrolled is on a database, but not a Federal one.

Guys I doubt that everyone to include the NRA-ILA didn't see this.

From Section 1(SB 2954),

"The rap back system is a service of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that provides continuous criminal record monitoring for authorized government agencies, including law enforcement agencies, and notifies them when an individual subject to a criminal history record check is arrested for a criminal offense anywhere in the country.  This notification will allow county police departments in Hawaii to evaluate if the owner of a firearm may continue to legally possess and own firearms."

I am afraid everyone enrolled in the rap back system is entered into some Federal database in order for the continued monitoring to take place as stated above.

Thats an explanation of what is being changed in the law, the law part starts below that, It would need to state which law (HRS ###) and what is changed (scored out means removed and under lined means added) there is nothing in the changes that mention being added to a federal database, Only that your information will be sent to the Hawai‘i Criminal Justice Data Center Which if you read the governess press release is Separate from being entered into rap back

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"The system, also known as the “Rap Back” system, is a service of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that provides continuous criminal record monitoring for authorized government agencies such as law enforcement agencies. The service notifies the agencies when a firearm owner is arrested for a criminal offense anywhere in the country. This will allow county police departments in Hawai‘i to evaluate whether the firearm owner may continue to legally possess and own firearms. The law also authorizes the Hawai‘i Criminal Justice Data Center to access firearm registration data.""

Rap-Back is a system within the FBI NGI program.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi

The specifics are in the Hawaii State AG report to the legislature:

http://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2016-ATG-Goals-and-Objectives-to-the-Legislature.pdf

Based on the reading of that pdf, the AG wants anyone fingerprinted in the state, criminal and civil, to be subscribed to the rap-back system.  Our state rap-back system will be connected to the FBI rap-back system.

Guys I doubt that everyone to include the NRA-ILA didn't see this.

Show me where it mentions rab-back or being entered into a federal database ? Other then the abstract and the word database being used for the HJDC (which the governor says is separate from rabback)
I know it seems strange but with every one focusing on what the bill does it could be possible to overlook what it actually says, Hence why it was signed without everything be ready

Rap-Back is a system within the FBI NGI program.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi

The specifics are in the Hawaii State AG report to the legislature:

http://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2016-ATG-Goals-and-Objectives-to-the-Legislature.pdf

Based on the reading of that pdf, the AG wants anyone fingerprinted in the state, criminal and civil, to be subscribed to the rap-back system.  Our state rap-back system will be connected to the FBI rap-back system.

Do you know what page or the page title, so much words and i have read so much these last few days, 
Depending on the wording and legal side of this we may of beaten this untill the next legislative session.

Got it, So from my understanding they dont even have a working system yet AND just because they can link it to the federal rapback system dosent mean they are legally entitled to,

Do you know what page or the page title, so much words and i have read so much these last few days, 
Depending on the wording and legal side of this we may of beaten this untill the next legislative session.

Got it, So from my understanding they dont even have a working system yet AND just because they can link it to the federal rapback system dosent mean they are legally entitled to,

From what I read on the FBI sites, they require states to link the state's ID systems in with the Fed's when possible.  Several states have apparently already done that.  Those states can do the information input, then transmit directly to the fed's systems and subscribe to the rap-back subsystem. 

Notice the goal -- all states need this setup so when mister gun owner gets a DUI in bumphuk, Arkansas, the Arkansas ID system sends that info to the Feds, the Feds match to their nationals database, and whoever is subscribing (Hawaii data center) gets the report.  It then goes on to HPD and the AG plus any other agency they want to send it to.  This is NOT just limited to HPD getting reports.  They might be the ones collecting information, prints and monies, but the data center has the power to distribute reports on Hawaii's "monitored class" as they see fit.

Just got an emailed response from the AG office to my email inquiry from last week (still no response to my phone inquiry):

My email to them:

What is this regarding?
 
SB2954 Act 108

Comments/Suggestions:
 
When does this law take effect? The governor signed it yesterday, June 23, 2016. My understanding is that it took effect upon signing, but there is some discrepancy about some kind of notification by the AG office to HPD (according to a person at HPD). Please clarify.

Does this mean that all existing registered firearm owners will be registered into the RapBack system, or only those that apply for a permit after a certain date? What is that date?

When will HPD and/or the other county police departments know what the law is and how and when they are applying it?

Is any agency required to notify individuals that they are being entered into the database system?

Their response:

AG HCJDC <ag.hcjdc@hawaii.gov> 

Dear Mr. [Punaperson]:
 
Act 108, SLH 2016, does take effect upon signing and authorizes the enrollment of firearm registrants into the Rap Back program.  The Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center (HCJDC), Department of the Attorney General, however, is still working to coordinate the program with the police departments and other affected agencies.  As we work through the process, more information will be forthcoming.
 
Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center
465 South King Street, Room 101
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813

Act 108, SLH 2016, does take effect upon signing and authorizes the enrollment of firearm registrants into the Rap Back program.  The Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center (HCJDC), Department of the Attorney General, however, is still working to coordinate the program with the police departments and other affected agencies.  As we work through the process, more information will be forthcoming.
 
Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center
465 South King Street, Room 101
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813

Thats not what the law actually says tho, The law just allows the information to be sent to The Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center,

HRS 846-2.7 gives The Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center, the authority to run background checks, It does not however give any authority for storing data and or entering it into any federal database,

Thats not what the law actually says tho, The law just allows the information to be sent to The Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center,

HRS 846-2.7 gives The Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center, the authority to run background checks, It does not however give any authority for storing data and or entering it into any federal database,

I'm sure what they mean by "As we work through the process, more information will be forthcoming" is "Our lawyers are are thinking up legal arguments to interpret any language to mean anything we want so we can do whatever we want to do and the only way you will ever possibly get us to not do that is via a long and costly lawsuit that all the local court and Ninth Circuit court decisions will find in our favor... so good luck!"

Thats not what the law actually says tho, The law just allows the information to be sent to The Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center,

HRS 846-2.7 gives The Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center, the authority to run background checks, It does not however give any authority for storing data and or entering it into any federal database,

But if part of running background checks involves entering one into the database then they would be able to justify it. I know what you are getting at but I just don't see that angle on such a technicality working. Maybe a lawyer could exploit it though so who knows?

I watch Yankee Marshall on YT.  He has a podcast 'shooting left of center';  I posed a question on their thoughts about our awesome new law about to be shoved up our collective arses with no lube.  They brought up an interesting fact that I didn't see mentioned and is very important.

Hawaii may confiscate ALL your firearms if you are denied a permit FOR ANY REASON.

So keep mind if this system false flags you for whatever reason, you lose all your rights and firearms.  Very similar to how people are getting screwed with the kaiser fiasco.  YOU are guilty until YOU prove you're innocent.

I have actually bought this up before, Hawaii is a may issue state (for CCW and Permits) , If you are not eligible for a permit, You are not eligible to own firearms (that is how they confiscated my shotgun).

I have actually bought this up before, Hawaii is a may issue state (for CCW and Permits) , If you are not eligible for a permit, You are not eligible to own firearms (that is how they confiscated my shotgun).

Yes. I understand.  Just putting this out there so others that may not know the law can be clear in their understanding that this law makes it much easier and with a much more broad reach, the ability of the state, to confiscate ALL of your firearms for reasons that may be frivolous.

Maybe it may stop one or two violent felons, however it may hurt and infringe on an exponentially greater number of lawful citizens, perhaps unduly.

For those who may say, nah can't happen, I don't need to worry...   ask around for Kaiser subscribers and see what kinds of hassle and torment they have to endure to exercise their guaranteed natural and civil rights.

For those who may say, nah can't happen, I don't need to worry...   ask around for Kaiser subscribers and see what kinds of hassle and torment they have to endure to exercise their guaranteed natural and civil rights.

Need to renew my long gun permit, but my GP at Kaiser just retired.  never had an issue last time with a handgun permit and him (or whoever at Kaiser) but with this new BS, I am reluctant to have any dealings with the PD at all.

Got to suck for the shop owners if gun people start to avoid the whole parerwork debacle due to unknown repercusssions of this BS law environment.

Tempted to just sit it out rather than give the bastards some excuse like London808 ran into.

Need to renew my long gun permit, but my GP at Kaiser just retired.  never had an issue last time with a handgun permit and him (or whoever at Kaiser) but with this new BS, I am reluctant to have any dealings with the PD at all.

Got to suck for the shop owners if gun people start to avoid the whole parerwork debacle due to unknown repercusssions of this BS law environment.

Tempted to just sit it out rather than give the bastards some excuse like London808 ran into.

I plan that action.  I am not renewing anything nor purchasing any more until this gets resolved. 

I will not submit to being on this illegal list. 

I am not going to sit out in being proactive in trying to get these people out of office and supporting any lawsuit though.

Need to renew my long gun permit, but my GP at Kaiser just retired.  never had an issue last time with a handgun permit and him (or whoever at Kaiser) but with this new BS, I am reluctant to have any dealings with the PD at all.

Got to suck for the shop owners if gun people start to avoid the whole parerwork debacle due to unknown repercusssions of this BS law environment.

Tempted to just sit it out rather than give the bastards some excuse like London808 ran into.

Your GP just retired, GREAT, get your permit and when they ask for your doctors info put NONE, Dosent matter what insurance you have they need the doctors information,  You dont even have to awnser the question on who your insurance is,

Your GP just retired, GREAT, get your permit and when they ask for your doctors info put NONE, Dosent matter what insurance you have they need the doctors information,  You dont even have to awnser the question on who your insurance is,

Not having a PCP doesn't mean you have NO doctor.  It means you have no PRIMARY doctor.

Different animals.