Secret government lists of "undesirables" or "domestic terrorists".
Militarization of federal bureaucracies.
Control of the media for the purpose of spreading propaganda.
Blatant disregard for the Constitution and the laws of this country.

It becomes more obvious every day that our government, be it federal, state, or local, is descending into the same fascist, totalitarian ideology that we fought two world wars to prevent.

At what point do we say "Enough", and take up arms to prevent it? What will it take to tip the country into civil war? How close are we?

Where is your "line in the sand"?

Secret government lists of "undesirables" or "domestic terrorists".
Militarization of federal bureaucracies.
Control of the media for the purpose of spreading propaganda.
Blatant disregard for the Constitution and the laws of this country.

It becomes more obvious every day that our government, be it federal, state, or local, is descending into the same fascist, totalitarian ideology that we fought two world wars to prevent.

At what point do we say "Enough", and take up arms to prevent it? What will it take to tip the country into civil war? How close are we?

Where is your "line in the sand"?

california just got a lot closer to the line...

America has had a for sale sign posted for years. Dems like Clinton got offers. Look at contributors to their Foundation and you can see how our foreign and domestic policies are developed.
The People cant afford to influence our leaders. Leaders pay the usual casual listen and nod passively.

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Re: Thoughts on Oregon Bundy fiasco ?
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Nice comeback by Aiea78   
Reply #29 on: February 05, 2016, 12:05:15 AM

My line in the sand is when I am ordered to take up arms against my countrymen.


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My line in the sand is when I am ordered to take up arms against my countrymen.


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A fine answer sir. You're the only one brave enough to answer the question so far.

Since I know the question is coming, I'll tell you where my line is: When they try to take my guns by force.

I see this as the inevitable "end game" of gun control, the entire point. I have no illusion any more that the government is looking out for my best interests.

My line in the sand is when I am ordered to take up arms against my countrymen.


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AMEN! 

Seems like some may be drawing the line if Hellery gets elected.

Heres a different way of asking the same question

At what point are your rights worth your life?
Because ultimately thats what were talking about here, At some point a time might come where you have to make a stand and say you will not allow your rights to be taken from you and that decision could cost you your life,

I don't know when, but I know who = Dims.

not sure if I'd go so far as having my balls cut off before they dismember me.
I understand freedom is not free. Scotland paid a huge price. I'm afraid as we go down this road of eroding freedom our credit card bill is going to be as large as having balls cut off. Let's not go that far.

not sure if I'd go so far as having my balls cut off before they dismember me.
I understand freedom is not free. Scotland paid a huge price. I'm afraid as we go down this road of eroding freedom our credit card bill is going to be as large as having balls cut off. Let's not go that far.

Balls?  I thought he was disemboweled.  When the jesters were on the stage before "cleansing" started, they used a rope to mimic having one's bowels yanked out.

I think being disemboweled would hurt way worse.

Secret government lists of "undesirables" or "domestic terrorists".
Militarization of federal bureaucracies.
Control of the media for the purpose of spreading propaganda.
Blatant disregard for the Constitution and the laws of this country.

It becomes more obvious every day that our government, be it federal, state, or local, is descending into the same fascist, totalitarian ideology that we fought two world wars to prevent.

At what point do we say "Enough", and take up arms to prevent it? What will it take to tip the country into civil war? How close are we?

Where is your "line in the sand"?

When Obama declares martial law after manufacturing some kind of disaster and he doesn't leave office.

Heres a different way of asking the same question

At what point are your rights worth your life?
Because ultimately thats what were talking about here, At some point a time might come where you have to make a stand and say you will not allow your rights to be taken from you and that decision could cost you your life,

Quite correct, and IMO that point is approaching more rapidly than ever before. When I was 21 the issues we're facing today were unthinkable, it "couldn't happen here". We figured the Constitution would protect us. Yet here we are, gun confiscation is becoming a reality in CA, which generally means we'll see the same efforts here in the near future. It's not just gun rights either, the entire Bill of Rights is under attack. Under the guise of the war on terror and the terribly misnamed "Patriot Act" our government surveils us at will. We tolerate checkpoints operated by armed agents of the state where our "papers" are checked and we're forced to endure questioning under threat of arrest should we fail to cooperate. Even freedom of speech is under attack via "political correctness", and if some in congress had their way, by law.

I think we've forgotten something along the way, the Constitution is designed to protect our rights, but we have a duty to protect the Constitution.

The Roman Republic lasted almost 500 years before  its demise as plotted by Caesar.

The United States as a Republic  is half way there (250 years),  before I believe  an partial collapse of the system will happen.

It won't be in our lifetime but I assure you there is a plot to take over this country from right under its citizens noses with full support.

No single civilization has lasted as long as the Chinese.  Even then,  no Dynasty had lasted more than a few hundred years.

When Obama declares martial law after manufacturing some kind of disaster and he doesn't leave office.

Not sure I subscribe to that possibility. Simply put I don't think he has the loyalty of the troops where he could openly subvert the entire system of government.

Secret government lists of "undesirables" or "domestic terrorists".
Militarization of federal bureaucracies.
Control of the media for the purpose of spreading propaganda.
Blatant disregard for the Constitution and the laws of this country.

It becomes more obvious every day that our government, be it federal, state, or local, is descending into the same fascist, totalitarian ideology that we fought two world wars to prevent.

At what point do we say "Enough", and take up arms to prevent it? What will it take to tip the country into civil war? How close are we?

Where is your "line in the sand"?

Like I said in another thread, I might fear civil war before WW3.

I don't know where my line in the sand is. Would it be a line I draw ahead of time or would it be an epiphany? I don't know, it is a difficult question. I think it would entail a clear breakdown of the federal government.

I honestly don't think we are close enough to crumble where I have to draw lines yet. Government lists of undesirables is nothing new. Regard for the constitution is a two way street as well, since we have made both advancements and losses.