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London808

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2016, 07:34:29 AM »
IMO they are a long way from kicking in doors and taking your guns, They will go after a bunch of stuff first, Regulations and restrictions to lower the supplies and the stockpiles of guns and ammo.

Ammo : Only available in person from an FFL, only for in person sales,
Reloading  supplies : only in person from an FFL,
Gun parts : Regulate major parts such as barrels and triggers with the aim of stooping terrorists building there own, Again only available from an FFL.
Online sales : GONE, you can only buy a firearm from an FFL in person, They dont have it they have to order it for you.
Gun shows : Gone, you can only shop at an FFL's place of business
Magazines : Again only from an FFL in person.
Imports : Larger ban on imported firearms and ammo OR higher import tarifs to make it un-affordable to buy.
More laws restricting people from owning, Lowering the bar to make you a prohibited person.
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punaperson

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2016, 07:59:38 AM »
Quote from: London808 on July 04, 2016, 07:34:29 AM
IMO they are a long way from kicking in doors and taking your guns, They will go after a bunch of stuff first, Regulations and restrictions to lower the supplies and the stockpiles of guns and ammo.

Ammo : Only available in person from an FFL, only for in person sales,
Reloading  supplies : only in person from an FFL,
Gun parts : Regulate major parts such as barrels and triggers with the aim of stooping terrorists building there own, Again only available from an FFL.
Online sales : GONE, you can only buy a firearm from an FFL in person, They dont have it they have to order it for you.
Gun shows : Gone, you can only shop at an FFL's place of business
Magazines : Again only from an FFL in person.
Imports : Larger ban on imported firearms and ammo OR higher import tarifs to make it un-affordable to buy.
More laws restricting people from owning, Lowering the bar to make you a prohibited person.
Yeah, it's a total "incrementalism" approach. "They" started this stuff in the late 60s and early 70s in California, when public opinion "polling" showed a fairly sizable majority of Americans favored banning handguns. Their goal all along has been civilian disarmament one small step at a time (some of the organizations leaders at the time openly admitted that was their goal, nowadays they rarely let that slip, though many ordinary "progressives" now openly state civilian disarmament must be achieved). It's taken "them" almost 50 years to get to where California is now... and you can bet serious money that they already have further encroaching bills written and waiting to be submitted and enacted once this latest round goes into effect. There is no "compromise" with these people, not really and not ultimately. They are in for the long game, and another 50 years to achieve their goal(s) is not desirable, but is acceptable to them, and all their policies point to total control, including their immigration policies which have and will continue to skew the electorate to the "progressive" total statist government intrusion and control position. Once the electorate is under control, then the majorities in all the legislatures, executive branches and judicial/court sphere will render and enforce the laws that will ultimately spell our ("liberty-oriented") demise. With likely 30 million illegal aliens seeking "amnesty" and voting rights (nearly 90% vote "progressive") we are in serious trouble.

I wish I could see it differently.

Happy Fourth of July everyone!  :shaka:
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88ss

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2016, 08:20:55 AM »
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? What fates befell them for daring to put their names to that document?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died.

Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.

Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.



As for my line?  I'll cross it if the time comes. My decision will come at the point which I have no doubt that any better option exists, and that my decision to cross the line will lead to a better future for my Family , and will be for the greater good of my Country . Safe 4th to you all.
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myanmar1

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2016, 09:24:15 AM »


A poem by Tarzana Jones called
When Comes The Revolution?

When will we rise in passion
Oh, what will bring the day
Could it be when the Leadership
Can tell us what to say?

Or will the barque of tyranny
At last begin to sink
That fateful day the Leadership
Can tell us what to think
(Just as they set the quota
On the ounces we can drink)

Or will their rise to power
Be forced to slow retreat
The moment that the Leadership
Can tell us what to eat

They say that they’re for choices
But we’ve lost the right to choose
The comments we can favorite
And the bags that we can use

The butter in our baked goods
Is in line for confiscation
They’re monit’ring our messages
And even our lactation

If we don’t stand tomorrow
I’m afraid it’s our own fault
We should have seen this coming
When they came to seize our salt

So will their codes and dictates
At last meet with repeal
The hour that the Leadership
Can tell us what to feel

I did it as a child
But now that I am old
I vow to tell the Leadership
I won’t do what I’m told

Happy 4th!
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Rocky

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2016, 10:00:52 AM »
Quote from: dustoff003
My line in the sand is when I am ordered to take up arms against my countrymen.[/quote
And who would  give you the order ?

Quote from: edster48
Since I know the question is coming, I'll tell you where my line is: When they try to take my guns by force. [/quote

I'd hate to be the cop that knocked on the door.  :o

[quote author=London808
Heres a different way of asking the same question
At what point are your rights worth your life?
Because ultimately thats what were talking about here, At some point a time might come where you have to make a stand and say you will not allow your rights to be taken from you and that decision could cost you your life,

And what kind of life would you have with NO RIGHTS ?   :grrr::( :'(

[quote author=ren
I understand freedom is not free. Scotland paid a huge price. I'm afraid as we go down this road of eroding freedom our credit card bill is going to be as large as having balls cut off. Let's not go that far.
Do our service members not agree to pay the ultimate price to defend our freedom ?
When they can't /won't, shouldn't we as Civie Militia" take up the cause ?
And if SHTF, your credit card bill will be the least of your worries so CHARGE ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Quote from: edster48
I think we've forgotten something along the way, the Constitution is designed to protect our rights, but we have a duty to protect the Constitution.
[/quote

Well said.

Quote from: eyeeatingfish
I think it would entail a clear breakdown of the federal government. [/quote
:wtf: Where the   ;D  have you been ?   ???
If you can't tell that the system is already broke/failing, better get back to googling some more .   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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whynow?

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2016, 06:11:08 PM »
Before making that line, it's good to get your things and situation in order and you're lucky if you already did.
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hvybarrels

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2016, 02:58:43 AM »
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dustoff003

Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2016, 03:35:04 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on July 04, 2016, 10:00:52 AM
I'd hate to be the cop that knocked on the door.  :o
Do our service members not agree to pay the ultimate price to defend our freedom ?
When they can't /won't, shouldn't we as Civie Militia" take up the cause ?
And if SHTF, your credit card bill will be the least of your worries so CHARGE ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 :wtf: Where the   ;D  have you been ?   ???
If you can't tell that the system is already broke/failing, better get back to googling some more .   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Rocky,

You multi quoted a few people so it was kinda hard to follow you.

To my quote and your question: the president, the governor or officers appointed over me, that's who.

"Do our service members not agree to pay the ultimate price to defend our freedom ?"

Don't know where you were going with this? As I mentioned I would draw the line at taking up arms against righteous rebel citizens of this county if ordered. I am in my 21st year of military service to this country and on my third deployment. I am ready to and have already defended this country if it is my time to be killed oh well can't do much about it, yes I am ready I was ready when I volunteered to serve under my own free will and I knew it could mean my life. There is a difference in defending freedom and being the muscle of the tyrannical takers of freedom.   

"When they can't /won't, shouldn't we as Civie Militia" take up the cause ?"

Maybe this should be in the drunken postings? Once again confused I am a member of the organized Civilian Militia. In my organized militia capacity of I was ordered to fight a unorganized civilian militia that was truly defending the core rights and beliefs of this country that would be my line. By choosing to cross the line I could be charged with serious capital crimes punishable by death if I followed through and crossed the line...   

Have a good day I hope your Independence Day was good all the best.   



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Heavies

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2016, 11:33:47 AM »
I believe the point of tipping just got that much closer, with the refusal of the FBI director to formally recommend the prosecution of a certain elite official.
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drck1000

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2016, 12:08:26 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on July 05, 2016, 11:33:47 AM
I believe the point of tipping just got that much closer, with the refusal of the FBI director to formally recommend the prosecution of a certain elite official.


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2016, 12:11:16 PM »
Yes, the FBI that let Hillary skate is the same agency that prosecuted hundreds of teenagers for downloading music.
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Inspector

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2016, 06:50:20 AM »
I believe the second to the last step towards the tipping point will come when Billary gets elected and chooses a "moderate" for the SCOTUS. And after the sheeple Repubs approve, it will turn out that the person is a progressive. Think Sotomayor. Oh no, we have been duped again.  :wtf:

The last straw will occur when the next time the Dems have control of the WH, Senate and House at the same time. You think we are losing our rights now, just wait. I know they are already planning what to do when the stars all align for them. It is really only a matter of time. And we are running out of time to do something about it.

Let's face it, the world is changing. We as individuals don't have control over it. As a group we do but in order to accomplish anything we need to clear out the gene pool of all the educated geniuses first. Then we need to vote out the professional scum buckets. Unfortunately, this is not a very likely scenario. I hate to be such a pessimist these days but I know what my gut is telling me. I truly hope I am wrong and I will continue to fight any way I can. I just feel like I am now fighting a losing battle. Aside from that, revolt is the only path back IMHO.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2016, 08:04:03 AM »
Quote from: Inspector on July 06, 2016, 06:50:20 AM
Aside from that, revolt is the only path back IMHO.

How do you imagine the revolt would take place? We can't exactly storm the White House unless we had tens of thousands of people. Armed protests? Massive disruptive peaceful protests?

It is interesting to imagine how such a thing would actually be carried out. We are so far removed here I don't know how we would paly a role.
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Inspector

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2016, 08:10:41 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on July 06, 2016, 08:04:03 AM
We can't exactly storm the White House unless we had tens of thousands of people. Armed protests? Massive disruptive peaceful protests?
This is exactly how I imagine it happening.

Quote from: eyeeatingfish on July 06, 2016, 08:04:03 AM
It is interesting to imagine how such a thing would actually be carried out. We are so far removed here I don't know how we would paly a role.
I imagine a lot of us would either do the same here or ship off to the mainland to participate.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2016, 10:15:07 PM »
Quote from: Inspector on July 06, 2016, 08:10:41 AM
This is exactly how I imagine it happening.
I imagine a lot of us would either do the same here or ship off to the mainland to participate.

I gave a couple of scenarios... which one were you talking about?

I don't know that a violent response would be best here. I would go the peaceful route for now.
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hvybarrels

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2016, 02:21:12 AM »
Who wants to start a Stand Down campaign where law enforcement, soldiers, and government agents take a pledge to never fire upon non violent civilians, and publish a list of those who refuse to sign? After all state sponsored murder is illegal so nobody should have a problem with making such an agreement. The whole point would be to draw attention to our immediate future which seems to be heading in this direction.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/06/27/oaxacas-teachers-movement-not-thwarted-state-terror
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Inspector

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2016, 04:57:39 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on July 06, 2016, 10:15:07 PM
I gave a couple of scenarios... which one were you talking about?
Any and all scenarios. I believe if it comes to it there will be a lot more than what we are talking about here.

Quote from: eyeeatingfish on July 06, 2016, 10:15:07 PM
I don't know that a violent response would be best here. I would go the peaceful route for now.
The problem with your feelings is that we have been going the peaceful route for well over 50 years. The politicians obviously ignore our petitions, our letters and our peaceful protests. They feel that we are voting them in to do exactly what they are doing. So they are justified in ignoring anything that contradicts their feelings.

The point of this thread was where would you draw the line. I stated where I would draw the line. I have not seen you post where you would draw the line.

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edster48

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2016, 05:31:54 AM »


The point of this thread was where would you draw the line. I stated where I would draw the line. I have not seen you post where you would draw the line.

 :stopjack:
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Actually, he did say "I don't know where my line is, it's a difficult question."

We should remember that many on this forum are much younger than we are, and were raised under a different set of circumstances. They don't remember the cold war. WW II is as distant a memory to them as the civil war is to us. They've been taught revisionist history and that the Constitution is a "living" document. What you and I see as a gross violation of the founding principles set forth in the Constitution, they see as "It's always been this way, it's just how things are done." Most have never even read the Constitution and have never considered taking up arms against government gone wrong.

It is a difficult question. It should be. When and if it ever comes to that, the country as we know it will change forever.
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macsak

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2016, 06:13:40 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on July 07, 2016, 02:21:12 AM
Who wants to start a Stand Down campaign where law enforcement, soldiers, and government agents take a pledge to never fire upon non violent civilians, and publish a list of those who refuse to sign? After all state sponsored murder is illegal so nobody should have a problem with making such an agreement. The whole point would be to draw attention to our immediate future which seems to be heading in this direction.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/06/27/oaxacas-teachers-movement-not-thwarted-state-terror

no one needs to start a campaign, it has already been going on for a long time
https://www.oathkeepers.org/
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macsak

Re: Where's the tipping point?
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2016, 06:15:04 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on July 06, 2016, 10:15:07 PM
I gave a couple of scenarios... which one were you talking about?

I don't know that a violent response would be best here. I would go the peaceful route for now.

see reply #38
would you take the oath?
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