Rocky,

You multi quoted a few people so it was kinda hard to follow you.

To my quote and your question: the president, the governor or officers appointed over me, that's who.

"Do our service members not agree to pay the ultimate price to defend our freedom ?"

Don't know where you were going with this? As I mentioned I would draw the line at taking up arms against righteous rebel citizens of this county if ordered. I am in my 21st year of military service to this country and on my third deployment. I am ready to and have already defended this country if it is my time to be killed oh well can't do much about it, yes I am ready I was ready when I volunteered to serve under my own free will and I knew it could mean my life. There is a difference in defending freedom and being the muscle of the tyrannical takers of freedom.   

"When they can't /won't, shouldn't we as Civie Militia" take up the cause ?"

Maybe this should be in the drunken postings? Once again confused I am a member of the organized Civilian Militia. In my organized militia capacity of I was ordered to fight a unorganized civilian militia that was truly defending the core rights and beliefs of this country that would be my line. By choosing to cross the line I could be charged with serious capital crimes punishable by death if I followed through and crossed the line...   

Have a good day I hope your Independence Day was good all the best.   


    First of all DustOff, Thank You for your service to our country. 
Based upon your reply, you appear to  be one of the "Oath Keepers" and that's a good and honorable thing.

   My Service Member/Civie (civilian) comment was meant for Civies to take up the cause including paying  the ultimate price "truly defending the core rights and beliefs of this country" 







Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Any and all scenarios. I believe if it comes to it there will be a lot more than what we are talking about here.
The problem with your feelings is that we have been going the peaceful route for well over 50 years. The politicians obviously ignore our petitions, our letters and our peaceful protests. They feel that we are voting them in to do exactly what they are doing. So they are justified in ignoring anything that contradicts their feelings.

The point of this thread was where would you draw the line. I stated where I would draw the line. I have not seen you post where you would draw the line.

 

Feelings are irrelevant, what would work is relevant.

Do you think Martin Luther King Jr. would have been more effective had he and the rest of the protestors shot the police who were beating them?

How you would draw the line is directly related to where you would draw the line. The line at which I would peacefully revolt is different than the line I would violently revolt.

And I did answer the main question. I said it is a hard question and I don't know exactly where I would draw the line. Refer to post #19 if you want more details on my statement.

I agree with this statement. I was stating why if you have no opinion on how or where you would draw the line why were you stating your feelings regarding this subject and trying to make them relevant. This is not a question to be answered rather it is an explanation why I used the word "feelings". Because if you have no opinion either way then everything else you are stating here regarding this subject is just a feeling IMO.

This is a theoretical question that no one has an answer to. If MLK had peacefully protested for over 50 years and all politicians ignored him and kept passing laws slowly eroding his human rights how would anyone know what he would have done after all that time? The fact is you cannot know. He protested peacefully for 12+ years and made strides a little at a time. Our 2A rights have been slowly being eroded for longer than you have been alive. Your analogy is not valid as it doesn't apply to anything I said.

I agree. But since you don't know where or how you would draw the line I am not sure what more you can offer here except your feelings on this matter which you already said are not relevant.

Basically I looked at your "answer" as a non-answer. Hence my statement "I have not seen you post where you would draw the line." Correct me if I am wrong, but you have not stated where you would draw the line, right?

Look, the 2A community has been peacefully writing letters, signing petitions and protesting for a lot longer than maybe you realize. And if the scenario ever occurs that I laid out then I am sure a lot of people will take a much stronger action than they had been. That is all I am saying here. It may take 20 years or 100 years before it occurs. But if it does occur then I believe people will revolt.

What I have been saying are not "feelings." This is not some topic with a clear right or wrong answer. The fact that I don't know where I would draw the line doesn't mean I don't have an opinion on the matter. It means that the question is complicated and I admit I don't know exactly where I would personally draw the line. And the fact is that even if I drew a line now, when it comes to actually being in the situation, the line might change. It is easy to be brave on an internet forum, but will our lines hold when threatened with jail time, loss of job, loss of savings, etc etc?

Multiple other posters have commented on the subject without drawing clear lines so I don't see the problem.

I see a lot of people talking about them coming for our guns, What about other rights  ? or is the 2a the only one thats important

. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize.

Dude, do you not recall that you started this conversation with me? Before that I had nothing to say to you and did not engage you. I have not commented on what others have said because everyone here has an opinion and I have no reason to engage anyone on this subject. But you wanted to start something with me. I would have never said a word to you if you had not engaged me first. So after getting that straightened out I honestly don't care how you feel about this topic. You started taking this off into another dimension and I refused to go there with you. I have been trying to get you back on topic so you can engage others and tell us more of your "opinions" and thoughts. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize.

I don't have a problem with you or your lack of an opinion. You started this, not me. If you don't like the outcome just stop replying. It is that easy you know.

 

Butt  hurt

 

Whoops !
Is this someones tipping point ?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23930.0

Crooked Hillary is liking the derailment of attention from her crimes.

I was not trying to "start something" with you. I was genuinely curious on what type of action you would take once the line you drew was crossed. I was not criticizing your drawing of the line nor your answers.

I guess you don't listen very well. I said: "...If you don't like the outcome just stop replying. It is that easy you know." I guess you are a glutton for punishment.

I do not believe you are genuinely curious as to the type of action I would take. The reason I don't believe you is because as soon as I said one little thing you started debating/arguing with me trying to use your non-applicable analogies. Actions speak louder than words. Someone who is genuinely curious would ask me for more detail. Not try and debate/argue my statements. BTW, that is trolling behavior.

I have your number now EEF. Now you know why I KNOW that you were trying to start something with me. Another false/untrue statement on your part. It is so blatantly obvious. Just because you may feel that you were not trying to start something with me doesn't mean you didn't. Your denials of any wrong doing are falling on deaf ears here. If that hurts your feelings, I no longer care.

Now, will you finally stop posting garbage and get