Getting from the launch ramp to 12 miles out could be a problem if the USCG is about and wants to do a safety check, though, no?

I would not mind taking my little 23' boat out 12 miles to do some test firing, but getting out there without being hassled would worry me.

Bastards have put the BI public range in limbo or killed it, so I still have no place to shoot....................

Bring a sleeping bag, you are planning on spending the night on your boat. It is now your place of sojourn and thus perfectly legal.

Again, actions speak louder than words. If you were going to join any of these great 2A organizations, you would have already. Let's face it, my offer to you was over 6 months ago. You have made no efforts to try. And that is all that matters. A lack of effort says it all.

Where were you when I was at the state capital when we gathered 200 strong? Where have you been volunteering for a myriad 2A related events over the last 8 years that I volunteered for? At least a dozen I can remember. Where were you sitting both days at the last gun show trying to get people to sign up to the forum? Don't try and pull that I was there where were you crap on me. I have done more for this community in the last 8 years I have lived here than you have in your entire lifetime.

Mac,

Notice he has still ignored your request. He did the same to me when I offered to pay for his memberships to the great 2A organizations here in Hawaii. He ignores your requests then when pushed comes up with a lame excuse as to why he has not answered you. This guy is all hot air and little action.

If you remember my reply that well then you would remember that I was going to talk to the people at the HRA booth at the next gun show before making my decision. Unfortunately I could not attend because of work, hopefully I can attend this next one.

So my current actions this year of going to two gun rights events are not good enough for you? I have to have attended multiple ones years ago as well?

If you had read clearly, I did not ignore his last comment, I replied to it.

What is the point in all of this? If I wanted your approval so badly I could just lie and say I joined the NRA and HRA and you wouldn't know any different.

Boating accident...

Don't own a boat... I bet a lot of people would have boating accidents if confiscation ever started though!

I am in a condo right now so I don't have a lot of space to hide them.

If you remember my reply that well then you would remember that I was going to talk to the people at the HRA booth at the next gun show before making my decision. Unfortunately I could not attend because of work, hopefully I can attend this next one.

So my current actions this year of going to two gun rights events are not good enough for you? I have to have attended multiple ones years ago as well?

If you had read clearly, I did not ignore his last comment, I replied to it.

What is the point in all of this? If I wanted your approval so badly I could just lie and say I joined the NRA and HRA and you wouldn't know any different.

All I am doing is pointing out the facts. You don't like it you are welcome to stop quoting me and posting. Otherwise you can continue to ignore Mac's request and I would appreciate your not quoting me on anything any more. My job is done. 

If you remember my reply that well then you would remember that I was going to talk to the people at the HRA booth at the next gun show before making my decision. Unfortunately I could not attend because of work, hopefully I can attend this next one.

So my current actions this year of going to two gun rights events are not good enough for you? I have to have attended multiple ones years ago as well?

If you had read clearly, I did not ignore his last comment, I replied to it.

What is the point in all of this? If I wanted your approval so badly I could just lie and say I joined the NRA and HRA and you wouldn't know any different.

If you want to correspond and or meet HRA members, there are MANY here.  If you want to correspond or meet with the board members or others, there are MANY here.  If you want, there are MANY ways to meet them.  Through the many HRA functions, Fun Shoots, etc.  Not just the gun show.  I am positive the same can be said for HDF as well.  In the end, people make time for what is important to them.  I am not telling you what should or should not be important to you, just mentioning that if you want information before making your decision, there are ways that people can help with that. 

Tell you what.  I encourage you to put in the same time that you put in here "discussing" and ask your questions of HRA and HDF.  If you should decide you want to join either, I'll pay for your membership.  If by 1 August 2016, you feel that you either don't want to join or have not had your questions answered, I will extend that offer to another member (who falls in the 250 or more posts category). 

If you had read clearly, I did not ignore his last comment, I replied to it.

yes, you "replied" to my last comment
but you didn't "answer" the question
you said, "I think I pretty much could agree with everything said there"
i asked, "would you take the oath" twice
and your first "reply" was "Would I take an oath to protect the constitution? Yes."
you did that at least once when you graduated from the police academy, so that is not an "answer" either

If you want to correspond and or meet HRA members, there are MANY here.  If you want to correspond or meet with the board members or others, there are MANY here.  If you want, there are MANY ways to meet them.  Through the many HRA functions, Fun Shoots, etc.  Not just the gun show.  I am positive the same can be said for HDF as well.  In the end, people make time for what is important to them.  I am not telling you what should or should not be important to you, just mentioning that if you want information before making your decision, there are ways that people can help with that. 

Tell you what.  I encourage you to put in the same time that you put in here "discussing" and ask your questions of HRA and HDF.  If you should decide you want to join either, I'll pay for your membership.  If by 1 August 2016, you feel that you either don't want to join or have not had your questions answered, I will extend that offer to another member (who falls in the 250 or more posts category).

I appreciate your offer but I think it means more if I spend my own money. I am trying to figure out the difference between HRA and the HDF. Is it redundant to join both? I know HDF offers shooting course.

I wouldn't judge someone's stance on the issue based on whether or not they were part of the HRA or HDF though.

I appreciate your offer but I think it means more if I spend my own money. I am trying to figure out the difference between HRA and the HDF. Is it redundant to join both? I know HDF offers shooting course.

I wouldn't judge someone's stance on the issue based on whether or not they were part of the HRA or HDF though.

No, but it's redundant to keep posting the same lame excuses rather than get off your butt and join them. 

Join both for one year, then decide to stay with either one or both.  Then you can make that all elusive "informed decision".  It's so much more satisfying than doing nothing for years while you form yet another "researched opinion".

yes, you "replied" to my last comment
but you didn't "answer" the question
you said, "I think I pretty much could agree with everything said there"
i asked, "would you take the oath" twice
and your first "reply" was "Would I take an oath to protect the constitution? Yes."
you did that at least once when you graduated from the police academy, so that is not an "answer" either

#crickets

I am trying to figure out the difference between HRA and the HDF. Is it redundant to join both? I know HDF offers shooting course.

you have the time to discuss all sorts of minutiae of every post you want to participate in, yet all you can come up with to compare/contrast HRA and HDF is "I know HDF offers shooting course."?
wow, just wow

I appreciate your offer but I think it means more if I spend my own money. I am trying to figure out the difference between HRA and the HDF. Is it redundant to join both? I know HDF offers shooting course.

I wouldn't judge someone's stance on the issue based on whether or not they were part of the HRA or HDF though.

Yes, committing one's valuable resources to something does speak to their values.  No, I don't think it is redundant to join both.  While I am not currently an HDF member, I have been in the past.  I haven't participated in HDF events recently due to personal time constraints, but I would have no reservations in supporting HDF as well.  And I should support them regardless of whether or not I participate in their events.  That said, if you have reservations, I didn't want the money to be a determining factor. 

Sometimes a gunowner who also owns a dremel, grinders, files, sandpaper, Rotozip tools, heat guns, welders and reciprocating saws including large vises can be just as hazardous to a receiver.   Mistakes and the receiver just becomes a piece of metal or industrial waste as we used to call it.
Very common, doncha know.  Live and learn.

Too much "Law abiding Citizen !

Sometimes a gunowner who also owns a dremel, grinders, files, sandpaper, Rotozip tools, heat guns, welders and reciprocating saws including large vises can be just as hazardous to a receiver.   Mistakes and the receiver just becomes a piece of metal or industrial waste as we used to call it.
Very common, doncha know.  Live and learn.

you especially need to be careful when walking past the band saw with your shotgun...

If you want to correspond and or meet HRA members, there are MANY here.  If you want to correspond or meet with the board members or others, there are MANY here.  If you want, there are MANY ways to meet them.  Through the many HRA functions, Fun Shoots, etc.  Not just the gun show.  I am positive the same can be said for HDF as well.  In the end, people make time for what is important to them.  I am not telling you what should or should not be important to you, just mentioning that if you want information before making your decision, there are ways that people can help with that. 

Tell you what.  I encourage you to put in the same time that you put in here "discussing" and ask your questions of HRA and HDF.  If you should decide you want to join either, I'll pay for your membership.  If by 1 August 2016, you feel that you either don't want to join or have not had your questions answered, I will extend that offer to another member (who falls in the 250 or more posts category).

I'm on an outer island. I'm a NRA life member.  HRA and HDF seem to be really Oahu centric.  We have lost the range
on our island, as the resorts don't want it.  HRA and HDF just don't help us out,  and realistically we just don't have any "pull",
there is maybe 100 registered guns owners on the island.  Besides, we can generally shoot where we want, as long as
we listen to police scanners and have hunting licenses.  Unlike Oahu, the police here
are not our friends.   I'm probably going to join GOA or SAF.   
They are a little more aggressive of gun rights and not so
much of  a "please sir can I have another?" organization.

I'm on an outer island. I'm a NRA life member.  HRA and HDF seem to be really Oahu centric.  We have lost the range
on our island, as the resorts don't want it.  HRA and HDF just don't help us out,  and realistically we just don't have any "pull",
there is maybe 100 registered guns owners on the island.  Besides, we can generally shoot where we want, as long as
we listen to police scanners and have hunting licenses.  Unlike Oahu, the police here
are not our friends.   I'm probably going to join GOA or SAF.   
They are a little more aggressive of gun rights and not so
much of  a "please sir can I have another?" organization.

Yeah, that was directed at EEF and no, doesn't really take into consideration the challenges you folks on Big Island, Maui, Kauai, etc.  If I recall correctly, I thought there is a HRA/LIFE group on Maui, but not sure about anywhere else. 

What are GOA and SAF?  Seems like there are a bunch of Big Island folks on here.  Maybe they don't know about those organizations.

Yeah, that was directed at EEF and no, doesn't really take into consideration the challenges you folks on Big Island, Maui, Kauai, etc.  If I recall correctly, I thought there is a HRA/LIFE group on Maui, but not sure about anywhere else. 

What are GOA and SAF?  Seems like there are a bunch of Big Island folks on here.  Maybe they don't know about those organizations.

I like your posts.
GOA = Gun owners of America( Virgina)
SAF = Second Amendment Foundation( Bellvue WA ).

Good NRA connections, but very aggressive guys.
We are afraid of the police here so we are quiet.

Yes, committing one's valuable resources to something does speak to their values.  No, I don't think it is redundant to join both.  While I am not currently an HDF member, I have been in the past.  I haven't participated in HDF events recently due to personal time constraints, but I would have no reservations in supporting HDF as well.  And I should support them regardless of whether or not I participate in their events.  That said, if you have reservations, I didn't want the money to be a determining factor.

I ask because there are dozens of gun rights groups but does anyone here join them all, even though they each play some role in protecting gun rights? My concerns with certain gun rights groups as relating to my hesitation to joining are a separate topic so I wont go down that path here. If you want to PM me I can offer an explanation. But again, I do thank you for your generous offer.

 

We are afraid of the police here so we are quiet.

In what way? Regarding firearms rights?

No, but it's redundant to keep posting the same lame excuses rather than get off your butt and join them. 

Join both for one year, then decide to stay with either one or both.  Then you can make that all elusive "informed decision".  It's so much more satisfying than doing nothing for years while you form yet another "researched opinion".

Not gonna feed this troll anymore.

Imagine................
If all the gun owners, or if just all the people who use Kokohead were members of HRA and HDF.  We would be a force to be reckoned with.  I base this on how long the lines are at HPD, how busy Kokohead is on the weekends, the amount of people who go to the gun shows.

Here in Hawaii we have two main groups who advocate for our 2A rights, HRA and HDF.  We should all support both.  Some people have said "I don't agree with everything (those groups) stand for", or "I don't like (fill in the blank)".
Really?  We have to look past the petty and do what is best for the common good....the protection of our 2A rights.  We as a shooting/gun owning community have to come together.  We have to have a unified front to get anywhere. As long as we are splintered, the legislators will do whatever they want.

What is the goal here?  For me it's to protect my rights as a legal owner.  I am a member of both organizations even though I have never participated in any HDF activities.  It's not that I don't want to, just a lack of time.  The goals and purpose (fighting for our rights, training, fun,fellowship) are important enough for me to pay the dues and be a member because these organizations need our help.

I can only hope that we can come together as a group, look past any petty issues we may have, and support each other and the organizations here locally that are our voice and are trying to help us all.

jmo, not intended to offend anyone or directed at anyone.