What do you guys think of receiving a certificate of training just for logging purposes?

Maybe there can be a standard certificate that's printable by users that the senior RSO can sign off on?! (To alleviate costs)

Reason: I think it's beneficial to have a document of training (plus hours) just in case a legal dispute ever arises and you want to use "time in training" as a defense.

Thoughts?
Friction

Reason: I think it's beneficial to have a document of training (plus hours) just in case a legal dispute ever arises and you want to use "time in training" as a defense.

Thoughts?
Friction

Short answer: no. 

What do you guys think of receiving a certificate of training just for logging purposes?

Maybe there can be a standard certificate that's printable by users that the senior RSO can sign off on?! (To alleviate costs)

Reason: I think it's beneficial to have a document of training (plus hours) just in case a legal dispute ever arises and you want to use "time in training" as a defense.

Thoughts?
Friction

Nothing says you can't keep a Range Log of your own.  I do.

Dates, times, firearms used, rounds fired, and people I practiced with.

If you keep a running log, it's almost as valid as any certificate.  The IRS accepts personal tip logs that appear to be recorded in as the tips are received, just like mileage logs for deductible driving.

Just a thought.

Nothing says you can't keep a Range Log of your own.  I do.

Dates, times, firearms used, rounds fired, and people I practiced with.

If you keep a running log, it's almost as valid as any certificate.  The IRS accepts personal tip logs that appear to be recorded in as the tips are received, just like mileage logs for deductible driving.

Just a thought.

Excellent response!

Maybe the answer is negative because of possible liability against the trainers, especially for firearms unless it's government training.
During my working days if there was a problem and the individual owned up to it, things settled down quickly.   But some guys didn't want to take the hit and blamed training which led to a much bigger issue.
Just my $.02.

You're probably correct, but most of us who don't get the HI hunting liscense to satisfy handgun training opt for NRA certified instruction led by an NRA certified instructor, but I don't think liability is the issue.

I just think it would be "smart" to have an instructor certify a logbook or a special document in case something bad should happen and you need to use your training as a defense in the courts.

again...just a thought here.

I see a liability issue.  At the very least, the instructor will have to go to court to testify that they certified the training.  Attorney will grill them for an hour or two on the witness stand.  If the instructor made a mistake, or fumbles the testimony then they could be held civil liable.  If they get sued they will most likely win, however they would be under a lot of stress, pay money for a lawyer, etc....

Ordinarily the instructor gets paid to teach the class so has something to gain to offset the potential downfall.  However in this case the instructor doesn't get anything for the risk.

Everyone is friends when things are going great.  Everything changes when things go bad.

I think this is a great idea! Massad Ayoob recommends documenting all training and resources you have.


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Short answer: no. 

long answer : no

my apologies for not answering earlier, i did not realize this was in the HDF subforum and it was directed at us
i thought it was a general question in the general discussion subforum

the reasons are mostly stated in the other posts
but here are some of the other reasons:
time: we are a small staff that has limited resources of time, you would not believe how many hours per day/week/month we/i spend organizing hdf activities
definition of "training": we consider our range day classes as skill builders that allow our members to try other methods and techniques other than standing or sitting in a static position firing one round every one or two seconds, we do not claim to offer "defensive" or "tactical" training

i hope that clears it up, guys