(RANT shortened to protect innocent eyes)

I'll probably get "scolded" for this too.

Bad OG, no Beretta for you...

Thank You for not quoting everything.

Owe you one   OG

Quote from: GZire on December 12, 2011, 02:29:50 PM

Lifer.........Kokohead is a very clique-ish place.  You have the HRA bay, the cowboy action guys, the IDPA/IPSC whatever guys, the shotgun guys, the bullseye pistol guys, the rifle guys, and the silhouette guys.  Some people are into more than one set of these and even amongst those areas there are other cliques as well. 

It doesn't surprise me that KingK ran into these types of people, I'm just surprised it as in the HRA bay.  There definitely are those guys in the rifle, shotgun and silhouette bays though.  I don't know about the IDPA/IPSC guys because I never go into that bay.  FWIW the most chill people out there seem to be the cowboy peeps.  Those guys are pretty cool from to little I've been in their bay.  Always friendly and always willing to talk to you.  What they do looks like a heck of a lot of fun.

Sad.

It was my entire strategy to just go to Kokohead one day and hang out to get the feel for the place and its protocol's. I dont want to be that Haole, new guy screwing up the "rulz".
Its funny because I have a little bit of everything in my safe and want to shoot the entire range.
Sounds like I'll need to bring my body armour by walking into the wrong bay. 

Hell, what should I wear, what should I say, not say, sounds like middle school all over again.......Oh well, I'm going to shoot and mind my own business.

FWIW, everyone on this site seems pretty cool; I dont see many people offering up their weapons to strangers to shoot and indoctrinate into shooting, very cool and the way it should be.

Thanks for the advice.

Don't let us dissuade you from going down there.  With all due respect to KingK/HRA, to participate you should be a member if you are going to some of the bays to participate as those are not technically C&C, but clubs.  It is my opinion that they should at least let people watch from a safe distance as it is public property.  It should be at that distance so that you are safe and won't disturb their activities, but they should not be allowed to chase you off...........that's just wrong.

I don't go to the range very much,  and always keep to myself. I even once saw a gun registration guy from the firearms department, and he may have even recognized me (just registered the day prior with him), but I pretended not to notice. Just kinda socially awkward like that. Wait what was my point again......oh yeah, so, as a casual user, I don't really see the cliques that GZire was talking about. The only clique that is abrasive enough for someone like me who is just trying to mind his own business to recognize are the geezers that park their gear on a table and then jack off with the other geezers at other tables for the entire time I'm there, after I waited an hour to get a table of course. Not really abrasive, but rude as hell.

So anyway, I haven't personally recognized the kind of cliques mentioned above, but maybe because I have proverbial horse-blinders on when go there.

..............and those would be the guys I'm talking about.  They aren't as bad as before, but they are still there.

The silhouette guys are basically some of the club guys.  Not as bad as the rifle guys (even though some of them are the same), but they are still there.  Nothing like seeing someone getting scolded because they are picking up a 3rd party's brass (keep in mind it's not the club's brass, it's the shooters').

wow been reading the thread and its really making me think that the HRA is not really worth joining.  They may have helped the gun community politically, but it sounds like they are becoming a bunch of politicians.  There's no reason to treat people with disrespect and I don't agree with the way they are acting.  I guess HRA isn't really looking at expanding membership.

Really sad.

I was looking forward to joining and maybe donating to the organization.

KingKeoni should get a personal sorry dude won't happen again.

just my 2 cents.

If I'm wrong sorry about that, but they should find out who the offenders were and deal with that before the really tarnish the reputation of the HRA.

Show a little respect to each other...we're a state of liberals so the gun community needs to stick together not crap on each other.

^^^^^Agreed.... We supposed to be ALL in this 2nd Amendment deal together.... That's really unfortunate..... There are a lot of really cool and knowledgeable HRA members out there... It's always the bad apples that blow it.....

I just want to comment that there is absolutely no HDF vs. HRA ****.  You can feel free to join whatever groups you want. Different groups have different purposes, find the one that you like. I will tell you however, that even though I don't really appreciate the NRA right now, I am still a member. And, I'm still a life member of SAF and also a member of the HRA.

I would also like to add that HRA has significantly contributed to our litigation here in Hawai'i.

Again, feel free to join, do, say whatever you want, but as the director of the HDF I am respectfully asking that you refrain from suggesting any rift or contention between our organization and any other organization; that's just not how we roll. If we have a problem with someone I'm sure you will know, because it will be said in no less of words than that.  The only HDF v. anyone is HDF v. the City and County of Honolulu and Kealoha et. al.

King - I thought you were not going to the range on Sunday lol.

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Sometimes I wish real life had the "Modify" button!   

Sometimes I wish real life had the "Modify" button!   

No doubt!!

wow been reading the thread and its really making me think that the HRA is not really worth joining.  They may have helped the gun community politically, but it sounds like they are becoming a bunch of politicians.  There's no reason to treat people with disrespect and I don't agree with the way they are acting.  I guess HRA isn't really looking at expanding membership.

Really sad.

I was looking forward to joining and maybe donating to the organization.

KingKeoni should get a personal sorry dude won't happen again.

just my 2 cents.

If I'm wrong sorry about that, but they should find out who the offenders were and deal with that before the really tarnish the reputation of the HRA.

Show a little respect to each other...we're a state of liberals so the gun community needs to stick together not **** on each other.

One should not penalize the whole organization due to the acts of a few.  Overall HRA has done some good stuff.  It's about learning from mistakes and moving on.  The only people who benefit from failure to learn are the anti-firearms population and criminals.

One should not penalize the whole organization due to the acts of a few.  Overall HRA has done some good stuff.  It's about learning from mistakes and moving on.  The only people who benefit from failure to learn are the anti-firearms population and criminals.

Well said, GZire.

Quote from: dsoto2000 on December 12, 2011, 07:50:57 PM

wow been reading the thread and its really making me think that the HRA is not really worth joining.  They may have helped the gun community politically, but it sounds like they are becoming a bunch of politicians.  There's no reason to treat people with disrespect and I don't agree with the way they are acting.  I guess HRA isn't really looking at expanding membership.

Really sad.

I was looking forward to joining and maybe donating to the organization.

KingKeoni should get a personal sorry dude won't happen again.

just my 2 cents.

If I'm wrong sorry about that, but they should find out who the offenders were and deal with that before the really tarnish the reputation of the HRA.

Show a little respect to each other...we're a state of liberals so the gun community needs to stick together not **** on each other.

One should not penalize the whole organization due to the acts of a few.  Overall HRA has done some good stuff.  It's about learning from mistakes and moving on.  The only people who benefit from failure to learn are the anti-firearms population and criminals.

The fact remains that the incident happened and I would not associate myself with an organization that apparently condones the mistreating of anyone that is not a member.

The more I talk to people the more I hear stories of how the HRA members discriminated against them for one reason or another.

I'm sorry, I would not feel good about inviting my friends and family into any situation like that.

I'm a gun guy and will always be. I appreciate that they are politically active but I'm not going to disrespect new shooters just because they aren't a part of my "elitist" group.

 

This entire Affair will have far longer lasting damaging effects on the entire 2A efforts in Hawaii than many people can ever realize.

This may even be brought up in one or more hearings.

Just because there politically connected don't mean there friken Kamehameha. You can't treat people that way and expect them to roll over and respect them. "Sheep Dog" not one "Sheep" the only people there hurting is them selves. There on there way to a bad rep already is not only Braddah Keoni, there doing it to alot of shooters.

By coincidence, my HRA renewal notice arrived by mail today. I'm thinking I'll renew. HRA does do good things.There are a couple of idiots in every organization. I tolerate certain things if it promotes a greater cause. But if idiocy is required to be a member, I'll go elsewhere.

I would like to point out that HRA (and a select few other 501.c4's) actively help with legislation and problems. In your instance King, I believe there was probably a huge misunderstanding, one that warrants some sort of written apology.  HRA is the political ape here.

Quote from: GZire on December 13, 2011, 08:36:35 AM

Quote from: dsoto2000 on December 12, 2011, 07:50:57 PM

wow been reading the thread and its really making me think that the HRA is not really worth joining.  They may have helped the gun community politically, but it sounds like they are becoming a bunch of politicians.  There's no reason to treat people with disrespect and I don't agree with the way they are acting.  I guess HRA isn't really looking at expanding membership.

Really sad.

I was looking forward to joining and maybe donating to the organization.

KingKeoni should get a personal sorry dude won't happen again.

just my 2 cents.

If I'm wrong sorry about that, but they should find out who the offenders were and deal with that before the really tarnish the reputation of the HRA.

Show a little respect to each other...we're a state of liberals so the gun community needs to stick together not **** on each other.

One should not penalize the whole organization due to the acts of a few.  Overall HRA has done some good stuff.  It's about learning from mistakes and moving on.  The only people who benefit from failure to learn are the anti-firearms population and criminals.

The fact remains that the incident happened and I would not associate myself with an organization that apparently condones the mistreating of anyone that is not a member.

The more I talk to people the more I hear stories of how the HRA members discriminated against them for one reason or another.

I'm sorry, I would not feel good about inviting my friends and family into any situation like that.

I'm a gun guy and will always be. I appreciate that they are politically active but I'm not going to disrespect new shooters just because they aren't a part of my "elitist" group.

 

KingK what happened to you sucks.  I am not condoning it.  What you must realize however is that unless these people are acting in an official capacity as duly elected persons within the organization, then HRA didn't do anything to you.  It's the act(s) of an individual.

IMHO what you need to do is write a letter to HRA and go over exactly what you experienced.  If they give you the finger or the cold shoulder I promise you I will be the first to write them a letter asking that I be withdrawn immediately from the organization.

I mean no disrespect to Kingkeoni.  If this is going to be a thread for people to read and decide to become members, then I have to put my two cents.  I have had nothing but good dealings with HRA and will continue to be an HRA member. 

Alright, enough is enough.  I have been holding my tongue because I thought nothing productive could come from this response.  However, I was wrong.  I can clear my conscience. and that's productive enough.

First, consider the source.  Kingkeoni is one of this forums leading hotheads and has trollish tendencies.  Nothing he says should be taken at face value.  Those of you who have been around for a while know this, and I see that knowledge in the cautious responses voiced.  Those of you who are new to the forum and have taken up his battle call of "Bad HRA," do yourselves a favor and look back over his posts.  Don't pick the ones he's started, but the ones he's responded to. 

Second, I know both of the people who interacted with KK.  They're both friends, and have been for years.  They both love HRA, and devote countless unpaid hours to furthering 2a goals politically, financially, and educationally.  They're both honest and open people.  And they both tell me that what KK describes simply never happened. 

Third, I was there.  I watched the first interaction, although I couldn't hear it.  The conversation was brief, KK stepped back a little further from the tent with his friend, and both were smiling.  Not the reaction I'd expect from someone being told they were unwelcome.

Kingkeoni, I call bullshit.  And I proudly take my place at the top of your shit list.