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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2016, 10:18:37 PM »
Looks like Gary Johnson is pandering for the Black Lives Matter vote from the Sanders voters.   :wtf:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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London808

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2016, 10:41:32 AM »
Looks like Gary Johnson is pandering for the Black Lives Matter vote from the Sanders voters.   :wtf:



This video just made me say NO WAY NO HOW, this guy is not a conservative or a libertarian, hes a pandering fool.

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Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2016, 01:43:37 PM »
Black votes matter.

As long as Clinton and Obama keeps the blacks angry, they can expect them to turn out at the polls for the votes.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2016, 02:07:08 PM »
Maybe Johnson needs to read the "Issues" page at LP.org, the Libertarian Party homepage!

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Step 3. Get Tough on Real Crime

The Libertarian Party is the party of personal responsibility. We believe that anyone who harms another person should be held responsible for that action. By contrast, the Democrats and Republicans have created a system where criminals can get away with almost anything.

For instance: sentences seldom mean what they say. Fewer than one out of every four violent felons serves more than four years. Libertarians would dramatically reduce the number of these early releases by eliminating their root cause - prison over-crowding.

Since nearly six out of every ten federal prison inmates are there for non-violent drug-related offenses, it's clear that drug prohibition is the primary source of this over-crowding. It has been estimated that every drug offender imprisoned results in the release of one violent criminal, who then commits an average of 40 robberies, 7 assaults, 110 burglaries and 25 auto thefts. Early release of violent criminals puts you and your family at risk. It must stop.


I see a MAJOR CONFLICT between the party's stance described above and Johnson saying the police discriminate.

You can't paint all Cops as racists.  For starters, not all Cops are White!!

Secondly, when you treat a criminal differently because of race, for whatever purpose, that is in itself discrimination.

A group calling themselves "Black Lives Matter" is discriminatory by it's nature and title.  If we treated all people as people, and not as objects (a Black teen, or a White woman), maybe we could get further along down that path to color blind societies.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2016, 08:06:39 PM »
This video just made me say NO WAY NO HOW, this guy is not a conservative or a libertarian, hes a pandering fool.

Pandering sure, but a fool? He knows that if he is going to stand any chance he has to siphon votes from very voter class and group.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2016, 08:50:55 PM »
Pandering sure, but a fool? He knows that if he is going to stand any chance he has to siphon votes from very voter class and group.

Just so we're clear ...  is it your story tonight Gary Johnson is no better than the Democrat and Republican nominees in terms of honesty and principles when campaigning?    ???
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2016, 10:16:45 PM »
Pandering sure, but a fool? He knows that if he is going to stand any chance he has to siphon votes from very voter class and group.

I seriously doubt he will siphon votes from brainwashed Democrats. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2016, 10:24:57 PM »
I seriously doubt he will siphon votes from brainwashed Democrats.

He may not, but I'm reading where the Green Party may.  Trump is also attracting some Obama voters.  They still believe in voting out the establishment politicians, and that's exactly who Trump is -- more so than Senator Obama was.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2016, 08:28:12 AM »
He may not, but I'm reading where the Green Party may.  Trump is also attracting some Obama voters.  They still believe in voting out the establishment politicians, and that's exactly who Trump is -- more so than Senator Obama was.

How so?  IMO, Trump is NOT establishment, nor status quo.  Why is it that every side is working so hard to defeat him.  Media, Republican, Democrat, pretty much everyone except the people badmouth him and twist every thing he says and does.  One has to look at raw footage, and see all the context in real time, to take a real picture of his position on issues.  You cannot get the truth from any outlet.  It's become ever more obvious, seems they don't even try to hide that aspect anymore...

That is what I'm seeing anyway.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2016, 03:55:05 PM »
How so?  IMO, Trump is NOT establishment, nor status quo.  Why is it that every side is working so hard to defeat him.  Media, Republican, Democrat, pretty much everyone except the people badmouth him and twist every thing he says and does.  One has to look at raw footage, and see all the context in real time, to take a real picture of his position on issues.  You cannot get the truth from any outlet.  It's become ever more obvious, seems they don't even try to hide that aspect anymore...

That is what I'm seeing anyway.

I don't know that they have to do anything to badmouth him. He hurts himself as much as any opponent could. If he had the same stances on issues but simply had a filter on his mouth, most of his problems would go away.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2016, 04:09:34 PM »
Just so we're clear ...  is it your story tonight Gary Johnson is no better than the Democrat and Republican nominees in terms of honesty and principles when campaigning?    ???

Hardly comparable. Johnson coming out as sympathetic to "black issues" is nowhere near the levels of dishonesty and corruption proven to exist with Trump and Clinton. 

I think Johnson's comment is meant to show sympathy and a willingness to talk about an issue to a sizable group of voters. Even if a grievance is mostly unfounded it still helps to show you are concerned about their grievance. Ultimately Johnson's comment was very short and were not strongly worded one way or the other issue. You cannot really tackle such a topic in a 10 second answer. Remember that Johnson is working just to get on the speaking platform first, so a dismissive answer with no ability to clarify or add context is only going to hurt him.

Heavies

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2016, 04:59:00 PM »
..... is nowhere near the levels of dishonesty and corruption proven to exist with Trump and Clinton. 


Can you list the dishonesty and corruption proven to exist with Trump? Clinton is not a question.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2016, 08:51:53 PM »
Can you list the dishonesty and corruption proven to exist with Trump? Clinton is not a question.

Trump admitted during the debates how he had given money to Clinton for favors. Granted it isn't on the same level as Clinton since she is an elected official but Trump is still part of the problem.

As for Trump's dishonesty, there have been multiple times where Trump flat out denied saying things that he was on TV saying. He has changed sides on some issues, which in and of itself is not a bad thing, but then he denies it in some cases.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/

Heavies

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2016, 09:10:32 PM »
Trump admitted during the debates how he had given money to Clinton for favors. Granted it isn't on the same level as Clinton since she is an elected official but Trump is still part of the problem.

As for Trump's dishonesty, there have been multiple times where Trump flat out denied saying things that he was on TV saying. He has changed sides on some issues, which in and of itself is not a bad thing, but then he denies it in some cases.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/

Giving money to politicians for favors is SOP for politicians.  I don't see how this makes Trump dishonest or corrupt.

As for politifact, the very first thing listed is.....



It is blatantly left of center bias on the entire page. Hillary's 'pants on fire' bullsh*t o meter only lists 5 items....  ah com'on!

So still don't see any REAL dishonesty nor corruption from Trump.

I will concede, he is not a polished public speaker, IMO that is a good thing.  Say what you mean, and mean what you say.  I am tired of all the 'politics', time for a real person to shake things up and see what comes loose.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #54 on: August 10, 2016, 02:55:33 PM »
Giving money to politicians for favors is SOP for politicians.  I don't see how this makes Trump dishonest or corrupt.

As for politifact, the very first thing listed is.....

It is blatantly left of center bias on the entire page. Hillary's 'pants on fire' bullsh*t o meter only lists 5 items....  ah com'on!

So still don't see any REAL dishonesty nor corruption from Trump.

I will concede, he is not a polished public speaker, IMO that is a good thing.  Say what you mean, and mean what you say.  I am tired of all the 'politics', time for a real person to shake things up and see what comes loose.

Trump admitted to participating in the corruption. Like I said, it is not as bad since he is not an elected official or a government official but he still is part of the problem. If he admits to doing it so readily as a businessman, why should we believe he would suddenly have a change of heart as an elected official? I have no reason to trust Trump to be a straight arrow.

Trump has been on camera saying one thing and then denying he ever said it shortly after. He has been caught lying time and time again. Not necessarily on big things but still, if we cannot trust him to tell us the truth on small things why would you trust him on the big things? He did it on televised national debates for crying out loud! I am thinking Trump might actually have a disorder. Maybe he is a compulsive liar?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/22/all-of-donald-trumps-four-pinocchio-ratings-in-one-place/

There was no shortage of links pointing out different lies Trump has been caught in.

But I don't mean this to be a Trump bashing topic. My main point that compared to Trump and Clinton, Johnson is an angel.

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Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2016, 03:23:17 PM »
Gary Johnson wants to appoint liberal judges to the Supreme Court. So to all of you who want to vote for a conservative in order to get a conservative in SCOTUS is fooling yourself if you want to vote for this guy. This fact alone should prevent you from voting for him.

I am trying to get back on topic here.
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Heavies

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2016, 07:28:47 PM »
Gary Johnson wants to appoint liberal judges to the Supreme Court. So to all of you who want to vote for a conservative in order to get a conservative in SCOTUS is fooling yourself if you want to vote for this guy. This fact alone should prevent you from voting for him.

I am trying to get back on topic here.

Thanks Big All.  I went off on a tangent.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2016, 08:57:22 PM »
Gary Johnson wants to appoint liberal judges to the Supreme Court. So to all of you who want to vote for a conservative in order to get a conservative in SCOTUS is fooling yourself if you want to vote for this guy. This fact alone should prevent you from voting for him.

I am trying to get back on topic here.

Do you have any link or source for that? I haven't come across any comments about his supreme court judge nomination ideas yet.

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Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2016, 06:12:30 AM »
Do you have any link or source for that? I haven't come across any comments about his supreme court judge nomination ideas yet.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Gary Johnson...
« Reply #59 on: August 12, 2016, 12:10:22 PM »
Google is your best friend and your worst enemy.  :shaka:

You made the claim so the burden of proof lies with you, thank you.