7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All (Read 6527 times)

Flapp_Jackson

7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« on: August 14, 2016, 04:27:51 PM »
1. Weld thinks that a rifle can become "a weapon of mass destruction." 

2. Johnson openly scorns religious liberty and freedom of association.

3. The debt increased massively during Johnson's tenure as governor of New Mexico. 

4. Weld supports eminent domain. 

5. Weld backstabbed the Libertarian Party in New York when the going got tough. 

6. Johnson wants to fund the baby-dismembering Planned Parenthood.

7. Weld seems to throw-in with the left-wing environmentalist movement.


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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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passivekinetic

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2016, 09:28:52 AM »
Yup. Sad but true.

They also support all those "free trade" agreements.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2016, 08:07:51 PM »
Do you think he went with a left leaning vice president as a way to get voters from both sides or that Johnson really likes the guy?

When I checked Johnson's page it did say he supported federal funding of planned parenthood but it also said he wanted to cut funding to the program (alongside cuts all over government spending)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2016, 08:13:46 PM »
Do you think he went with a left leaning vice president as a way to get voters from both sides or that Johnson really likes the guy?

When I checked Johnson's page it did say he supported federal funding of planned parenthood but it also said he wanted to cut funding to the program (alongside cuts all over government spending)

He went with what was available!  How many former Governors are going to be gullible enough to run as a Libertarian Party candidate?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2016, 03:21:05 PM »
Came across this website which has a lot more detail on Johnson's positions. Seems to make a number of differences than some of the anti-johnson meme's I have been seeing on Facebook.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2016, 04:43:58 PM »
Came across this website which has a lot more detail on Johnson's positions. Seems to make a number of differences than some of the anti-johnson meme's I have been seeing on Facebook.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

You've not yet addressed the 7 reasons given in the OP article.

Talking about meme's is ..... irrelevant. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2016, 11:41:11 PM »
You've not yet addressed the 7 reasons given in the OP article.

Talking about meme's is ..... irrelevant.

Heavies posted a graphic of some sort recently on a similar note and I was trying to touch on that. I also thought the link had a lot of information someone could find useful no matter which side of the question they were o, that is why I posted it.

Personally I don't think #7 conflicts with libertarianism. Being smaller government doesn't mean you have to give the environment the middle finger.

I do agree that Weld is troubling with some clear conflicts of libertarian ideology though. I also agree that Johnson has said some things which are not characteristic of libertarianism.

Do you think these are major faults for the libertarian ticket of natural variances you would see with many candidates who deviate from party lines here and there? For example GW Bush spent huge sums of money which is in conflict with conservatism's push for less government spending.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2016, 12:46:47 AM »
Heavies posted a graphic of some sort recently on a similar note and I was trying to touch on that. I also thought the link had a lot of information someone could find useful no matter which side of the question they were o, that is why I posted it.

Personally I don't think #7 conflicts with libertarianism. Being smaller government doesn't mean you have to give the environment the middle finger.

I do agree that Weld is troubling with some clear conflicts of libertarian ideology though. I also agree that Johnson has said some things which are not characteristic of libertarianism.

Do you think these are major faults for the libertarian ticket of natural variances you would see with many candidates who deviate from party lines here and there? For example GW Bush spent huge sums of money which is in conflict with conservatism's push for less government spending.

9/11 was an extraordinary event which had a ripple effect on Wall Street, the economy, national security, and so on.  He cut taxes, had the Fed cut consumer interest rates in half, and provided good leadership through some pretty dark and terrifying times.

The majority of the deficit spending was for the war.  So in actuality, the economy was doing well, and his policies prevented major long term recessions. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2016, 06:36:37 AM »
The thing is that George Bush was a RINO. He was not a true conservative nor Republican. A true conservative or Republican would not have gone on the spending spree that he did. Same applies to Gary Johnson. He says he is a Libertarian but his actions show differently. He is a LINO.
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passivekinetic

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2016, 11:40:16 AM »
AINOs.

Americans In Name Only.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2016, 02:41:12 PM »
The thing is that George Bush was a RINO. He was not a true conservative nor Republican. A true conservative or Republican would not have gone on the spending spree that he did. Same applies to Gary Johnson. He says he is a Libertarian but his actions show differently. He is a LINO.

I agree, Johnson isn't the ideal libertarian, especially not with his vice president.

Bush's bailout at the tail end of his presidency was the most problematic thing he did while saying he was a conservative.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2016, 02:58:07 PM »
I agree, Johnson isn't the ideal libertarian, especially not with his vice president.

Bush's bailout at the tail end of his presidency was the most problematic thing he did while saying he was a conservative.

This is a topic on the Libertarian ticket.  Can you PLEASE, FOR ONCE stay on topic!

Your anti-Bush, he's not a Conservative comments can be made elsewhere, or start your own thread.  They have nothing to do with this topic.

 :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2016, 05:26:37 PM »
This is a topic on the Libertarian ticket.  Can you PLEASE, FOR ONCE stay on topic!

Your anti-Bush, he's not a Conservative comments can be made elsewhere, or start your own thread.  They have nothing to do with this topic.

 :stopjack:

I am not anti-bush and thanks for focusing on me alone without caring what anyone else said about Bush.

The whole point was that it is hard to find a candidate who sticks perfectly to the platform. It is even harder nailing down exactly what it means to be conservative or libertarian. Here is my segue back to topic.

I think being small government or libertarian can be interpreted different ways depending on the issue.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2016, 05:32:58 PM »
Do you think these are major faults for the libertarian ticket of natural variances you would see with many candidates who deviate from party lines here and there? For example GW Bush spent huge sums of money which is in conflict with conservatism's push for less government spending.

I am not anti-bush and thanks for focusing on me alone without caring what anyone else said about Bush.

The whole point was that it is hard to find a candidate who sticks perfectly to the platform. It is even harder nailing down exactly what it means to be conservative or libertarian. Here is my segue back to topic.

I think being small government or libertarian can be interpreted different ways depending on the issue.

You drug Bush into the thread first, so yes, you get singled out for straying off course. 

What any other politician or President has done is irrelevant, unless you are one of the nation's "moral equivalency" believers.

My topic, so my rules.  if you have nothing intelligent to say about how the Libertarians are not following their own platform, then please refrain from arguing about off-topic subjects and crying about how I singled you out.

This post does not require a reply from you.  You can only make yourself look even worse!

 :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2016, 05:46:25 PM »
You drug Bush into the thread first, so yes, you get singled out for straying off course. 

What any other politician or President has done is irrelevant, unless you are one of the nation's "moral equivalency" believers.

My topic, so my rules.  if you have nothing intelligent to say about how the Libertarians are not following their own platform, then please refrain from arguing about off-topic subjects and crying about how I singled you out.

This post does not require a reply from you.  You can only make yourself look even worse!

 :stopjack:

Bush was an example, nothing more, nothing less. I am not going to get into a pissing match because you are so easily offended.

So who gets to define the libertarian platform? Libertarianism can be interpreted and applied in different ways.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 7 Reasons the Libertarian Ticket isn't Libertarian at All
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2016, 05:51:43 PM »
Bush was an example, nothing more, nothing less. I am not going to get into a pissing match because you are so easily offended.

So who gets to define the libertarian platform? Libertarianism can be interpreted and applied in different ways.

Bush is/was not a Libertarian.  He's NOT an example of the topic.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw