Knife Sharpener (Read 11398 times)

Waka808

Knife Sharpener
« on: December 20, 2011, 11:03:28 PM »
I searched for a topic first, no finds.

I don't have any personal friends that hunt on a regular basis, or use knives for that matter. I got my first knife and plan to get more but I know I'll need to start sharpening them eventually.

I have no experience whatsoever and I picked up a Gerber diamond sharpener and I must be doing it wrong but I don't feel it's sharpening at all. I have employed the method from the seller and no luck. I even youtubed a video (similar method) and still not sharp, at least not to my liking.

Any tips as far as methods go for using a diamond rod sharpener? Or even, any advice for sharpening tools? A few topic searches online point to a "Spyderco Triangle Sharpmaker" but I've also read a few comments that it's really all about how you sharpen, versus the tools you use.

Any help would be appreciated guys  :thumbsup:

Jl808

Knife Sharpener
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 01:13:51 AM »
I don't have much experience with knife sharpening either except I've been using one of these to sharpen my non-serrated knives to good success.

http://www.diningandkitchen.com/wusthof-innovative-kitchen-knife-sharpener-features-two-side-sharpening-for-kitchen-knives/

Following the instructions, first, I pull my knife on the metal side then when the edge seems sharp enough, I run it on the ceramic side to smooth out / set the edge. Seems to work well for my kitchen knives, utility knives, even machetes!

That said, I'm also known to use cooking oil to oil my knives so take my advice with a grain of salt. (pun)

Curious to know if I'm doing this right. :)
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Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 05:55:40 AM »
I'm no expert, but I've used a Smith's compact sharpener and that works well. On this type of sharpener, I just use the ceramic side if my knife is not too dull as the carbide side will cut away a lot of metal.

If you are using a diamond rod sharpener, just find the angle that your blade is at, match it and glide the blade down the rod from the base of the blade to the tip. It should work.
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Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 06:31:19 AM »
I have used just about everything out there and the best sharpener is the Lansky.  It's tedious to use the first few times because you basically hand-grind a new bevel on your knife but once you've got it sharpened it's scary-sharp.  It may not be for you if you're the type that doesn't read and follow directions closely, or if you don't have the patience for it.  I would say that it takes 30-45 minutes to sharpen your knife the first time with a Lansky, 5-10 minutes to touch it up once you've ground the bevels.  If you like to show off by shaving the hair off your arm or ribboning paper, the Lansky is the best.  Get an extra coarse stone, it will greatly speed up your first sharpening.  I have found that the extra-fine stone (1000 grit) is not necessary--the fine grit (600) will give you all the edge you need, especially if you're hunting.  The 600 grit leaves a very fine "tooth" to your edge that will "bite" into the material you're cutting whereas the 1000 grit leaves a highly polished edge that sometimes doesn't cut too well through coarser materials.

The Tri-Angle Sharpmaker by Spyderco is also very good, especially if you use serrated or half-serrated knives.  I think Lansky has a stone for serrated edges but I haven't tried it because I use the Tri-Angle.  If your knife gets really dull, to the point where the edge has rounded over, the Tri-Angle will not work very well.

The Gerber diamond sharpener is a good, field-expedient sharpener for touching up your knife in the middle of a job.  It also does not require sharpening oil, so it will leave your blade relatively clean.  The diamond sharpeners are usually a medium grit so your knife will not be razor sharp but if used properly it should give you a good, lasting edge.  I use a fine grit diamond steel (12" long) in the kitchen and it's satisfactory. 

When I use the diamond steel I try to maintain an even angle with the knife at all times.  This necessitates a slower, more methodical stroke than what you see in the butcher shops, restaurants, etc (those guys are professionals with way more experience, obviously), so don't try to mimic their moves.

Old fashioned sharpening stones (even if they are made of space-age synthetics, diamonds, etc) work well if you have steady hands and patience.  Again, just like with the steel, don't try to copy what you see on TV (99% of what I've seen is totally wrong).  Read and follow the instructions.

Finally, don't waste your time with cheap China-made knives (Frost, Taylor, Chipaway, M-Tech, swap-meet specials, etc.)  Buy a quality, name brand knife that suits your needs and it should last a lifetime.  Some of the super-steels out there (154CM, S30V, etc.) are very difficult to sharpen.  440C (not just "440"), AUS-8 and ATS-34 make good blades that are relatively simple to sharpen.  Puma and Boker from Germany are both good brands.  The older Kershaws with Japan blades were very good, I haven't had much experience with the newer, China-made line of Kershaws. 

I hope this info helps.  What kind of knife are you using now?


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Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 02:04:12 PM »

The Tri-Angle Sharpmaker by Spyderco is also very good, especially if you use serrated or half-serrated knives.  I think Lansky has a stone for serrated edges but I haven't tried it because I use the Tri-Angle.  If your knife gets really dull, to the point where the edge has rounded over, the Tri-Angle will not work very well.



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tatonka

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2012, 01:00:38 AM »
I know this is almost a year later but did you ever find what you were looking for?  If not, hit me up. I have a pretty sweet set up. I can put a scary edge on almost anything in a few minutes.  I can also carbidize.

GZire

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2012, 07:42:33 PM »
I have used just about everything out there and the best sharpener is the Lansky. ....................

You ever try the Wicked Edge?

I have the Lansky, but I've been curious about this one.

http://www.wickededgeusa.com/

macsak

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2012, 08:28:54 PM »
wow, that is pricey
:0
looks great, and easy to use

i have the spyderco tri-angle sharpener
seems to work ok

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You ever try the Wicked Edge?

I have the Lansky, but I've been curious about this one.

http://www.wickededgeusa.com/

jc2721

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2012, 09:02:26 PM »
You ever try the Wicked Edge?

I have the Lansky, but I've been curious about this one.

http://www.wickededgeusa.com/
Nope, never heard about it until now.  It seems awfully expensive, and that doesn't necessarily always means it better.   

Actually, for about 30 years now I've mostly used a 1 X 30 or 1 X 42 sander for a lot of my sharpening.  Depending on the type and size of blade, what kind of edge I need  and how much needs to be ground down, I use anything from 150 to 320 grit belts to grind the edge, then I use either a 600 grit diamond steel or a white crock stick to put on the final edge.  It takes a lot of experience to avoid burning the steel and other problems like grinding a wavy or off centered edge, but I can put an edge on a good machete in a few minutes that will easily ribbon up typing paper.  The problem is that you can easily grind up your knife.  That, and you'll probably cut through any cheap sheath for it.  Oh yeah, if you're not careful you could lose an eye or a finger but that just about goes for any tool, power or hand.

On folders and hunters I mostly use the Lansky.  I've used the sander on several Randall knives and it does a good job of restoring a beat up knife.   I use the steel or ceramic stick to keep the edge touched up.

I don't recommend you buy a sander and try it (and I don't give lessons on grinding), but if you know what you're doing it's quick and the results are good.

tatonka

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2012, 08:17:40 PM »
Wicked Edge is an outstanding sharpener.  Lansky doesn't even come near it.  BUT yes very expensive.  That being said WE has no problem selling them.  Basically its a Lansky done right.  The arm movement and vise have no play so you get a perfectly consistent angle.  If you want 15 degrees on each side that's EXACTLY what you get.  Not 14 on one side and 16.5 on the other.  It really depends on how far you want to go.

I like my paper wheel setup.  SCARY sharp, polished edges in minutes for $62.  Can't be beat!

TeamMidori

Knife Sharpener
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2012, 08:38:57 PM »
3m psa is also great for sharpening

TeamMidori

Knife Sharpener
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2012, 08:42:57 PM »

jaynick

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2012, 10:04:37 PM »
Im selling a complete wicked edge kit with leather strops and diamond sprays and also  a spyderco sharpmaker if anyones interested.



i got tired of sharpening and bought a worksharp mini belt sander for my machetes and send out my pocket knives to get professionally ground and then i just strop it myself to maintain the edge.

GZire

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2012, 08:07:11 AM »
Im selling a complete wicked edge kit with leather strops and diamond sprays and also  a spyderco sharpmaker if anyones interested.



i got tired of sharpening and bought a worksharp mini belt sander for my machetes and send out my pocket knives to get professionally ground and then i just strop it myself to maintain the edge.

What's in the kit and what are you asking?

jaynick

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2012, 10:04:03 AM »
i have the 100,200,400,600,800,1000,1200 grit diamond stones and i have a bunch of wicked edge leather strop paddles and diamond pastes and sprays by hand american.
i also have 400/600 grit curved ceramic stones for heavy recurved blades.
its literally a complete kit. you can get a scuff free perfect mirror edge on steels capable of achieving it such as zdp189 or 154cm or 440c.

i need to double check the condition before i post a price.

tatonka

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2012, 10:34:40 AM »
I'm interested!

jaynick

Re: Knife Sharpener
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2012, 04:06:55 PM »
What's in the kit and what are you asking?
i listed the kit for sale here
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=4771.msg45960#new