home invasion or firefight? (Read 12136 times)

London808

Re: home invasion or firefight?
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2016, 04:01:12 PM »
Heres the timeline,

im going to break it down from the original video.

Camera 5
3:43:27, Door is kicked in full open (this is where the video starts).
3:44:37, The victim appears in the doorway with 2 armed men infront of her.
3:44:39, guy points gun at her and moves in her direction.
3:44:40, She draws her weapon and fires the first shot which is high.
3:44:42, both men flea, she chases them them towards the door.
3:44:44, man runs from halway to her right almost coliding with her. she ignores him and contiunes in the directon of the fleaing men
3:44:48, man from hallway runs through kitchen door, (face first through the glass, like literately through it.)
3:35:57, victim appears back in screen useing cellphone. Firearm in hand, with slide locked in empty position.

The second view show is the same thing it shows her shooting out of the doorway at the fleeing robbers she stops fireing at 3:44:53 because she has no ammo left.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: home invasion or firefight?
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2016, 04:10:12 PM »
So now you see because of the news's shorten version it makes it look like the whole episode happened in 10 seconds instead of the 2 and a half minutes it really took.

Instead of staying in the safety of her bedroom, She decided to go gun and cellphone in hand to confront what must of been a very vilonet noise. You can see the mean who entered the home talking to each other and turning on switches, She must of been aware that some one was in her home.

She steps completely into a doorway silhouette in the doorway, with the gun in one hand at her side and her cellphone in the other. instead of seeking cover she draws on an already drawn weapon.

She fires at the bad guys and misses, They turn and flea. She then chases them. She narrowly avoids getting flattened by the man running from the hallway. She fails to even acknowledge him as a threat and continues to chase the fleeing men. Once the men are gone she is out of ammo. She dosent know if any of them are left in the house and does not even attempt to seek cover or concealment and fails to clear the property. Even if she did clear the property she had no ammo left.

Now im not an expert and i know this is in hind site but she made some serious mistakes and is extremly lucky that most badguys run away when shots are fired.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: home invasion or firefight?
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2016, 04:10:37 PM »
The unedited version.

"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

PeaShooter

Re: home invasion or firefight?
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2016, 04:14:58 PM »
Thanks! I'll watch it now. Unfortunately when I watch videos on this computer I have no sound, I am just going by the images.

3:44:44, man runs from halway to her right almost coliding with her. she ignores him and contiunes in the directon of the fleaing men

By the way, I watched the crappy version video again, and I realized I made the same mistake as you did. She didn't ignore him. She fired a shot at point-blank distance, practically touching his chest. That was the kill shot. No wonder it didn't miss. So 9+ shots. I wasn't able to see that the slide was locked back either in the crappy news version video, it was too low quality, but you are right.

edited: hmm, maybe not. It is hard to tell. Maybe she ignored him as you said. The guy managed to keep running through the glass door...

gun in one hand at her side and her cellphone in the other

Whoops you are right! Dang that first video was such low video quality that I thought it was one of those giant flashlights, but it was her cellphone light. Not good form then.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2016, 04:39:56 PM by PeaShooter »

PeaShooter

Re: home invasion or firefight?
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2016, 04:28:08 PM »
The unedited version, as I am watching it now, is not totally superior to the crappy news version. It has a video quality problem at least on my PC that I'm not clear on. For example, the 4th gunshot is absolutely invisible in this unedited video (there is no flash) but clearly visible (big flash) in the crappy news version. The "3rd shot" is the mostly-invisible kill shot that was taken at point blank, for counting purposes, as I might be off by shot count.

Instead of staying in the safety of her bedroom, She decided to go gun and cellphone in hand to confront

Given the proper timing of the longer version as you said, I sort of agree this was questionable, but I still can't say it was bad as she was armed by that point. I guess it depends on the skill of the homeowner. In her case, maybe hiding was better, but she didn't.

She fails to even acknowledge him as a threat and continues to chase the fleeing men.

I think she may have shot him but I can't tell. She saw and pointed her gun straight into his body for sure.

Once the men are gone she is out of ammo. She dosent know if any of them are left in the house and does not even attempt to seek cover

Yeah that was horrible. For letting herself waste her last ammo without even using the sights, and for not even checking behind for the other guy, unless she was sure he was dead, which she wasn't since he ran out the black glass door. Maybe she heard it at least.

extremly lucky that most badguys run away when shots are fired.

As you said I guess that's why she took her first shot and missed. She was banking on scaring them off, not a good move but that's just my opinion. With me, I would have closed in and tried to make sure the first shot is a kill. But then I would not know there are 3 guys and not 1 guy, I would kill 1 or 2 guys for sure but maybe the 3rd guy would have killed me, while that woman's choices let her survive.

It's also sad that the guy walks out later really slowly, like "Where's my dinner?"
« Last Edit: September 25, 2016, 04:50:41 PM by PeaShooter »

London808

Re: home invasion or firefight?
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2016, 04:49:34 PM »
im not seeing a shot on the 3rd guy (no muzzle flash or recoil. I do however see his right arm collide with her hand pushing the gun down and to her right.)

It has been uploaded in 480p but was most likely shot in 720 (most common for home cameras)

This one has the 911 call over the top of it.
the audio shows that they had access to the cameras and could see the people in the house with guns.

"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

PeaShooter

Re: home invasion or firefight?
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2016, 04:57:55 PM »
Great eye on the guns colliding, yeah maybe that's what happened instead. I cannot tell for sure. Two guns colliding like that, what are the chances of that?!

omnigun

Re: home invasion or firefight?
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2016, 05:42:12 PM »
She got em good.  Too bad two of them got away.  Not sure why it took so long for them to find her and the fight to start they were all over the house.  No idea where her friend was either must of been some big ass house.