The "However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified)" would fall under  a different HRS  §703-304  Use of force in self-protection.

Also remember law enforcement have to abide by the same laws too, so if it was the case they would be charged with reckless endangering too.

The "However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified)" would fall under  a different HRS  §703-304  Use of force in self-protection.

Also remember law enforcement have to abide by the same laws too, so if it was the case they would be charged with reckless endangering too.

there's a difference between what the law says, and what the prosecutor thinks they can get a conviction for...

Sounds like a common sense law to me.  You are responsible for every shot that leaves the barrel.  However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified), though the exemption isn't unlimited like if you spray and pray.  So you are protected from being charged criminally.  Law enforcement have to follow these laws too.

On the civil side, if you have a negligent discharge at your home or shoot an errant round or riccochete at the range, and it hits me a half-mile away, I'm going to sue you.  If it's a self-defense situation and you miss the bad guy and hit me, I'm going to sue you...at least to pay for the hospital bill and incapacitation.  Also why Koko Head range needs improvements to fix the safety risks.

Training and safety are very important and most people don't realize they are undertrained for situations like this.  You can't just spray bullets in a self-defense situation and put your life ahead of other innocent people.  And just because you can return fire doesn't necessarily mean you should.

Basically for self-defense situations you have nothing to gain, but everything to lose.

I agree with 99.999% with what you stated.  However, I believe that we do have one thing to gain (possibly) in a self defense scenario, and its a big one.. with properly aimed fire you just might make the bad guy stop trying to kill you.

The "However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified)" would fall under  a different HRS  §703-304  Use of force in self-protection.

Also remember law enforcement have to abide by the same laws too, so if it was the case they would be charged with reckless endangering too.

while it is true that there is an exemption for the use of force (including deadly force) in a self-defense situation, the section you cited doesn't expressly allow for the use of firearms for self defense.  in other words, the term "deadly force" can apply to other means, such as knives or a baseball bat.  it's a little absurd when you think about it because this is basically like saying, "if someone shoots at you, you're welcome to throw as many knives as you want at them, but you aren't allowed to shoot back without criminal liability."

yes, it is true that law enforcement must play play similar rules however the law allows for exceptions where they are acting within their duty.

just get a big dog
be prepared to spend a little more on your homeowner's insurance though...I found that out. First thing they ask you if you own a dog and how big, breed etc....

What a terrifying experience for the victims. It sounds like something you would find in a revenge scene of a movie, being shot at with 30 plus rounds.

It's sad we live in such a world. It's even more sadder that we are not really allowed to truly defend ourselves against someone who is attempting to hurt us outside the threshold of our own home.

If you shoot at the perp, one of your rounds could hit a bystander, which could get you arrested and sued.
If you don't shoot at the perp, you could get shot and killed by the perp.

Overall, this case again underscores the fact that the police are more reactive than proactive. They investigate and pick up the pieces AFTER a crime has been committed.

Luckily, in this case, no one got hurt. It could have been way worse. Glad God was on the family's side.

Updated info.  He was witnessed reloading the rifle 3 times, mother was grazed by a bullet, and son was almost shot.  Glad they all made it through.


http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment

Updated info.  He was witnessed reloading the rifle 3 times, mother was grazed by a bullet, and son was almost shot.  Glad they all made it through.


http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment

"automatic rifle"?

I'm thinking we could use this to show that the police can't protect people, and people bear the responsibility of protecting themselves.

What a terrifying experience for the victims. It sounds like something you would find in a revenge scene of a movie, being shot at with 30 plus rounds.

It's sad we live in such a world. It's even more sadder that we are not really allowed to truly defend ourselves against someone who is attempting to hurt us outside the threshold of our own home.

If you shoot at the perp, one of your rounds could hit a bystander, which could get you arrested and sued.
If you don't shoot at the perp, you could get shot and killed by the perp.

Overall, this case again underscores the fact that the police are more reactive than proactive. They investigate and pick up the pieces AFTER a crime has been committed.

Luckily, in this case, no one got hurt. It could have been way worse. Glad God was on the family's side.

I agree with the above.  Thing is if you have a firearm and don't use it for self defense and get shot, the antis will use that to argue why firearm ownership for self protection is useless. 
 
If faced with this scenario of one lone assailant shooting my home from outside, I wouldn't engage outside or shoot outside.  I would be armed with a holstered pistol carrying a shotgun and connected to the 911 operator.  If the perp manages to get in, I will take action without verbal command to stop the threat when he enters.  I believe that you should have some piece of furniture or bulky item close by your front door so it can be easily moved to a position which would keep the invader boxed in for a few seconds.   Also hopefully you're using a different caliber then the perp so LE/DA can't use any stray rounds against you

I'm thinking we could use this to show that the police can't protect people, and people bear the responsibility of protecting themselves.

yeah, but the media is going to use it to further their agenda

yeah, but the media is going to use it to further their agenda

then comes the question..."Why do you need an AyyyARRR15?"

then comes the question..."Why do you need an AyyyARRR15?"

2 b equally armed against criminals ? 

Updated info.  He was witnessed reloading the rifle 3 times, mother was grazed by a bullet, and son was almost shot.  Glad they all made it through.


http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment

Man a accused in Kunia shooting obeyed law by possessing only 10 rnd clips ( ).

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No gun was found?
I'm gonna take my dog and search the gulch by those townhouses.
Maybe  score me a free ar15.

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Looks like a bunch of people trampled down all the tall grass behind that townhouse.
About 200 -300 yards of grass is pushed down.

Quote from: oldfart on October 17, 2016, 02:47:43 PM
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No gun was found?
I'm gonna take my dog and search the gulch by those townhouses.
Maybe  score me a free ar15.

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Looks like a bunch of people trampled down all the tall grass behind that townhouse.
About 200 -300 yards of grass is pushed down.

Whooa, down boy.

     When Vidinha was done shooting- witnesses say he left the rifle on the ground and they picked it up to make sure he couldn't shoot it again. Police arrested Vidinha in his apartment. And say while in custody, he admitted he was the one who shot the gun. 
http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment

Quote from: oldfart on October 17, 2016, 02:47:43 PM
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No gun was found?
I'm gonna take my dog and search the gulch by those townhouses.
Maybe  score me a free ar15.
Whooa, down boy.

     When Vidinha was done shooting- witnesses say he left the rifle on the ground and they picked it up to make sure he couldn't shoot it again. Police arrested Vidinha in his apartment. And say while in custody, he admitted he was the one who shot the gun. 
http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment

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Oh well.....
Maybe it's crop circles

automatic rifle?  didn't know that he used a machine gun, wow!  OMG!  mass hysteria.  weapons of mass destruction.

KITV report states RELOAD in caps.  Don't know what their agenda of doing that is.  Maybe they're supporting  the idea that  would have been better if he had 1 standard capacity mag so he wouldn't have to reload. 
Why do civilians need ARs, same reason why LE needs them, for self defense. 

Thing is if you have a firearm and don't use it for self defense and get shot, the antis will use that to argue why firearm ownership for self protection is useless.  [...]

If some wacko is outside pumping 5.56 rounds into my house, I'm pretty sure the LAST thing on my mind will be "I wonder how Bloomberg is going to spin this?"