Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA) (Read 7003 times)

punaperson

I certainly hope Dean Weingarten is correct in his assessment of the likelihood of this passing when the Trump administration gets around to it. I'd wager a fair sum that all four of Hawaii's federal legislators (Schatz, Hirono, Hanabusa, and Gabbard) will vote against it, using the finely tuned arguments and evidence: "Because, you know, uh, guns".

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2016/11/president-trump-will-pass-hearing.html

President Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act


In 1934, the Franklin Roosevelt administration was able to pass omnibus gun control legislation, with massive infringements on the Second Amendment.  It was the National Firearms Act.  The law was primarily designed to eliminate the private ownership of handguns. That was too much of a direct assault on the Second Amendment for Congress, which removed handguns from the bill. The remainder of the act passed, creating a bizarre law with unintended consequences.

For obscure and unknown reasons, gun mufflers, also known as silencers, or suppressors, were included in the act. Silencers immediately changed from being a $10 accessory, available over the counter, to becoming an item requiring a federal tax stamp costing $200.  The tax stamp required an intrusive and time consuming application process. $200 in 1934 would be $3,600 today.  As another measure, $200 was 5.7 ounces of gold in January, 1934.  That was by legislative fiat.  In December of 1933, it would have been 10 ounces of gold.  If you use gold as the standard, 5.7 ounces of gold would be worth $7,400.  It was common for a day laborer in 1934 to be paid $1 a day.  People worked long days, six days a week. The tax on a silencer was about the yearly pay of a minimum wage worker of the time. It was not a tax.  It was a prohibition.

The rest of the world did not share America's self imposed prohibition on gun mufflers.  In the rest of the world, silencers were regarded as a useful accessory, something that the neighbors appreciated because it reduced noise pollution.

In Europe, silencers are far less regulated than they are in the United States. In New Zealand, a 12 year old can walk into a hardware store, pay $20, and walk out with a perfectly serviceable commercial silencer. [ :thumbsup:]

Inflation has whittled away at the prohibitionist tax on silencers in the United States.  $200 dollars is now 28 hours at minimum wage instead of a year's worth of labor.  People understand the damage done to unprotected ears by close proximity to gunfire.  Silencers have become essential safety equipment in many circumstances.

A growing movement has risen up to place silencers in the same regulatory environment as ordinary rifles and shotguns.  It removes the prohibitory tax and the burdensome, unnecessary regulations. Legislation has been introduced in Congress by Matt Salmon (R) Arizona.

It The Hearing Protection Act. It keeps the federal regulation that states refer to when they require federally sanctioned ownership for legal possession of silencers in many. That regulation becomes the same as for ordinary rifles and shotguns.

When legislators are informed of the bizarre history of U.S. regulation and prohibition of these safety devices, they have no problem passing corrective legislation.  Josh Waldron, one of three founders of the American Suppressor Association, says that when legislators become informed, 90% of both Democrats and Republicans vote for  the reform legislation.

The Hearing Protection Act will pass.  It only needs to be presented to Congress.

©2016 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.

« Last Edit: November 16, 2016, 11:04:06 AM by punaperson »

Aloha808

Re: Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA)
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2016, 11:22:17 AM »
Suppressors are banned by law in Hawaii so wouldn't matter for us.

Example. Only until a year or so ago were sbrs made legal in Washington state. Full autos are still illegal there. Shows how something is legal on the national level but states still can make laws

ren

Re: Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA)
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 11:31:49 AM »
but I've watched some movies where silencers were used to assassinated peoples...oh the horrors! people wouldn't know who shot them!  It will give everyone ghost capability i.e. Call of Duty action.
Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA)
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2016, 11:32:28 AM »
The libs will ask why do you need a silencer? are you an assassin? Who you going to snipe?
Deeds Not Words

mauiboi9

Re: Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA)
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2016, 11:59:37 AM »
Wouldnt a federal law supersede a state law?
Im a recoil junkie

RSN172

Re: Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA)
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2016, 12:00:37 PM »
Yes, because silencers will make the gun just go poof instead of bang.  I saw how they work in the movies.  LOL.

In reality, a suppressed firearm is still pretty loud. 
Happily living in Puna

Aloha808

Re: Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA)
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2016, 12:12:24 PM »
Wouldnt a federal law supersede a state law?

Suppressors are not illegal on the Federal level. They are nfa items and completely legal as long as your state allows it.  The act would just remove suppressors from the nfa so you would not need to do the nfa process to get one, but instead do the regular atf 4473 form as if you were buying a gun at a store. So states can still prohibit them by law if they want, they just won't be nfa items and easier to get

So back to the Washington example. Sbrs, suppressors and full autos are legal to obtain, but Washington law does not allow full auto there.

punaperson

Re: Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA)
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2016, 01:45:20 PM »
Suppressors are not illegal on the Federal level. They are nfa items and completely legal as long as your state allows it.  The act would just remove suppressors from the nfa so you would not need to do the nfa process to get one, but instead do the regular atf 4473 form as if you were buying a gun at a store. So states can still prohibit them by law if they want, they just won't be nfa items and easier to get

So back to the Washington example. Sbrs, suppressors and full autos are legal to obtain, but Washington law does not allow full auto there.
Not sure why you would need to fill out a 4473 for a firearm accessory if they were removed from the purview of NFA and BATFE. Wouldn't it be like an upper parts kit or a barrel or any other "part"?

Yes, states (such as Hawaii) would still be free to maintain their total ban laws, but I'd hope that the courts would be more amenable to overturning such bans in light of national legislation called "The Hearing Protection Act". Oh, wait, we're in the Ninth Circuit... never mind!  :crazy:

passivekinetic

Re: Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA)
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2016, 02:14:34 PM »
Wouldnt a federal law supersede a state law?

Hard to say. Look at the marijuana issue. And now, deportations versus sanctuary cities.
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

Aloha808

Re: Trump will Pass the Hearing Protection Act (Remove Suppressors from NFA)
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2016, 02:17:56 PM »
Not sure why you would need to fill out a 4473 for a firearm accessory if they were removed from the purview of NFA and BATFE. Wouldn't it be like an upper parts kit or a barrel or any other "part"?

Yes, states (such as Hawaii) would still be free to maintain their total ban laws, but I'd hope that the courts would be more amenable to overturning such bans in light of national legislation called "The Hearing Protection Act". Oh, wait, we're in the Ninth Circuit... never mind!  :crazy:


The proposal is to remove it from the nfa and have it go through a 4473 instead.

punaperson


GOA "take action" opportunity to ask Tulsi why she hasn't signed on yet as co-sponsor of the bill to remove suppressors from the NFA. Like she'd give an answer... but we can let her know we know she's full of shit.

Home page, with link listed first in "take action"...

https://cqrcengage.com/gunowners/home?4

Take action
Protect the Second Amendment

Suppressor Deregulation Bill Gains Momentum in the House
A year ago, amending the provisions of the overbearing and unconstitutional National Firearms Act would have been considered “a long shot.”

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If you want to just send direct to Gabbard without going to the website, she apparently now has an email address that you can send direct email to without having to go through her website and fill in all the information (name, address, etc.):

Email: TulsiOffice@mail.house.gov

Here is the text of the GOA email, in case you just want to use that (I notice it does not include the word "traitor" which seems to appear in my emails to her...  :rofl:):

Message Subject:

Why have you not cosponsored HR 367?

Dear [Recipients],

I understand from Gun Owners of America that you have not yet cosponsored Rep. Jeff Duncan's Hearing Protection Act, H.R. 367.
 
I would like to know why not?

A "silencer" or, more correctly, a "suppressor" is, at its core, nothing more than a variation of a metal tube.  It reduces the sound level of a discharge by about 30 decibels, but does not eliminate the sound of the firearm. 

It is, at best, an historical anachronism that "suppressors" are treated the same way as full-blown "machine guns" for purposes of federal law.
 
Rep. Duncan's bill treats suppressors like ordinary firearms for purposes of federal gun laws.
 
I urge you to place the public health above the strictures of some antiquated law -- and to bring U.S. gun law into the 21st Century.

You can read an excellent Fact Sheet -- highlighting the health benefits from using suppressors -- that has been prepared by Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership at:  bit.ly/2s7tZd1.
 
Again, please cosponsor H.R. 367.