whatchu talkin' 'bout Heavies?

I just went back and looked through the testimony before the committees in February and March of this year. Each time between three (3) and five (5) people in the entire state of Hawaii bothered to take the time to send an email to the legislature voicing their opposition to this legislation.

Taking the highly likely very low estimate of gun owning households (how many people might be hesitant to tell a stranger on the phone or in person that they have firearms in the home?) in Hawaii at 9.7%, with 403,240 households, that would be a minimum of 39,114 gun owners in Hawaii (and of course there may well be more than one gun owner in a household). (And if the estimates of the number of guns in Hawaii is anywhere near accurate at well over a million, that means that each household averages owning twenty-six (26) firearms! So you can see the likely very low underestimate of households owning firearms... not that there's anything wrong with owning a few dozen firearms!  ). So taking the high amount of testimony (5) opposing the RAPBACK bill, and the likely very low estimate of gun owners at 39,114, that means that all of .00013 of gun owners voiced their opposition to the bill. Are you really claiming that just because 39,109 out of 39,114 gun owwenrs failed to utter a peep that that indicates an "ainokea" attitude? I can think of a few other words for it...

We are getting closer to the answer to my comment  why gun owners are idiots. By the way I am a gun owner, of many guns.

We are getting closer to the answer to my comment  why gun owners are idiots. By the way I am a gun owner, of many guns.

I assumed that was a rhetorical question.

Hey......    but im not going to jack the amount up every time we get close.

I Get what your saying tho. I just want to cover my bases, I dont want to take 15K have some one else file a suit before us or Have the AG decided the laws illegal or have it not cost that much] and be stuck with the money. There is other fights that can be had with those funds.

Im trying to be open and honest about it, Hence my full real name and a phone number. Im also going to try hit up the range tommorow morning so if any one wants to say hi or has questions you can speak to me there. I dont have green hair anymore but will be wearing a bright yellow minion t-shirt.

I'm in, although I don't see much to worry about with this Rap thing.  Lets see the rest of you macho gun owners step up to the fight. Just like when the Kaiser and Straub medical record debacle blindsided many, you can't  be on the sidelines just watching. All I saw was a bunch of childish suggestions, like the one about going down to HPD with a bag of pennies to pay for the fingerprinting fee. Or like the guy laughing at Kaiser and Straub patients that they paid out of pocket to go see an outside doctor and he didn't. It was all about principals.The reason he didn't is because brave individuals went on TV, wrote letters to every politician they could. That was no laughing matter,  you know who are. This is a principle thing. A little story for you. I had not voted for the past thirty plus years because I was part of the silent majority. This year I was pissed off and decided that I will vote. Although I voted strictly Republican, it was not because I know them or like them. It was because I no longer (for many years) like the direction our elected leaders are heading my home state of Hawaii. Who would have thought that Trump would win, not many and certainly not me. But look what happened. The silent majority supported him and he won. Now wether we the citizens won anything remains to be seen. The moral of the story is get out and vote. You don't like your legislator? Get out and vote. Lets put these folks in the unemployment line. See you macho gun owners at the range on Sunday and bring your wallets.

I assumed that was a rhetorical question.

Absolutely.....

I will not be able to make it to the range tomorrow due to work. That being said

ANY ONE WHO GOES TO HPD AND SIGNS THE RAPBACK AUTHORIZATION FORMS IS DOING SO OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL. 

SB2954 DOES NOT AUTHORIZE ENROLLMENT IN  RAPBACK OR REQUIRE YOU TO SIGN THE RAPBACK CONSENT WAIVER. ENROLLMENT IS 100% VOLUNTARY

SB2954 AUTHORIZES HPD TO SHARE DATA WITH THE HAWAII CRIMINAL JUSTICE CENTER AND AUTHORIZES THEM TO CHARGE A HIGHER FEE.

You are required to obtain a permit and register your firearm, You are required to pay the fee and submit to the background check.

I will not be able to make it to the range tomorrow due to work. That being said

ANY ONE WHO GOES TO HPD AND SIGNS THE RAPBACK AUTHORIZATION FORMS IS DOING SO OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL. 

SB2954 DOES NOT AUTHORIZE ENROLLMENT IN  RAPBACK OR REQUIRE YOU TO SIGN THE RAPBACK CONSENT WAIVER. ENROLLMENT IS 100% VOLUNTARY

SB2954 AUTHORIZES HPD TO SHARE DATA WITH THE HAWAII CRIMINAL JUSTICE CENTER AND AUTHORIZES THEM TO CHARGE A HIGHER FEE.

You are required to obtain a permit and register your firearm, You are required to pay the fee and submit to the background check.

where can I find this section?

where can I find this section?

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2016/bills/SB2954_HD1_.pdf

Although it allows hpd to share data with criminal justice center for database mangment, it does not give them authorisation to collect data for disemenation to a 3rd party (the FBI)

Page and Line?

I am new to gun ownership and this a little confusing and really sucks...I already did my HG permit and will be picking it up next week...first HG for me...
now I guess I'll be registering and getting put in to this system...I tried to read that SB2954 and agree this is against the "Firearm Owners' Protection Act"

It is supposed to be that the government works for the people...not that "we the people" serve the government...ARRRRGH

I'll donate to any legal action against this...

I will not be able to make it to the range tomorrow due to work. That being said

ANY ONE WHO GOES TO HPD AND SIGNS THE RAPBACK AUTHORIZATION FORMS IS DOING SO OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL. 

SB2954 DOES NOT AUTHORIZE ENROLLMENT IN  RAPBACK OR REQUIRE YOU TO SIGN THE RAPBACK CONSENT WAIVER. ENROLLMENT IS 100% VOLUNTARY

SB2954 AUTHORIZES HPD TO SHARE DATA WITH THE HAWAII CRIMINAL JUSTICE CENTER AND AUTHORIZES THEM TO CHARGE A HIGHER FEE.

You are required to obtain a permit and register your firearm, You are required to pay the fee and submit to the background check.

Got a pistol on it's way from Buds with OGC doing the transfer. Should I refuse to enroll based upon the above statement (which will probably mean HPD will refuse my permit application). Sheesh ordered the pistol before finding out about this otherwise it would have never been ordered. If I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.... going to donate what I can to the cause but being retired limits my amount (sold some stuff to get the pistol when it would have been better served to donate the amount I paid for the gun).....

Got a pistol on it's way from Buds with OGC doing the transfer. Should I refuse to enroll based upon the above statement (which will probably mean HPD will refuse my permit application). Sheesh ordered the pistol before finding out about this otherwise it would have never been ordered. If I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.... going to donate what I can to the cause but being retired limits my amount (sold some stuff to get the pistol when it would have been better served to donate the amount I paid for the gun).....

I'm
Going to be at HPD tommorow morning first thing and hopefully (unlikely tho) explain to them that what they are doing is in violation of state law. Hopefully forcing them to stop at least temporarily. The problem
Is as individuals they don't care as they can't be held accountable for there actions.

I'm
Going to be at HPD tommorow morning first thing and hopefully (unlikely tho) explain to them that what they are doing is in violation of state law. Hopefully forcing them to stop at least temporarily. The problem
Is as individuals they don't care as they can't be held accountable for there actions.

I'd really like to see the video of that "exchange of information".

I'd really like to see the video of that "exchange of information".

I gotta agree, even a audio recording of that conversation would be worth the price of admission.
Set your phone to record in your front pocket and go for broke.
London 808, I gotta give you credit. We/I am behind you.Best o'luck.
Keep us in the loop
Aloha

Can an injunction be filed tomorrow by Wolfwood?

I'm
Going to be at HPD tommorow morning first thing and hopefully (unlikely tho) explain to them that what they are doing is in violation of state law. Hopefully forcing them to stop at least temporarily. The problem
Is as individuals they don't care as they can't be held accountable for there actions.

Good luck.  This just got interesting

Plans for Tommorow,

Head to HPD to apply for a permit.

Visit the AG's Office to ask for some documents,

Visit the Hawaii Criminal Justice Center to ask for documentation and an explanation of rapback.

Plans for Tommorow,

Head to HPD to apply for a permit.

Visit the AG's Office to ask for some documents,

Visit the Hawaii Criminal Justice Center to ask for documentation and an explanation of rapback.

I really appreciate your efforts. Thank you. 

Best wishes and good luck getting straight answers, or even any answers or information from the lying CYA bureaucrats who are our public servants, paid by our tax dollars to protect our "unalienable Rights", including "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" (unless you intend to use your Liberty to defend your Life outside your home with the most efficient tool available).

I really appreciate your efforts. Thank you. 

Best wishes and good luck getting straight answers, or even any answers or information from the lying CYA bureaucrats who are our public servants, paid by our tax dollars to protect our "unalienable Rights", including "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" (unless you intend to use your Liberty to defend your Life outside your home with the most efficient tool available).

Thanks for your contribution. I have made a new post in the Legal section to give details on the legal fight as and when they happen (what details i can without tipping my hand, Right now i believe we have a couple of aces) 

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=25686.0

Also file a class action lawsuit , to recover the $40 fee that many may be forced to pay in these few month.

I'm
Going to be at HPD tommorow morning first thing and hopefully (unlikely tho) explain to them that what they are doing is in violation of state law. Hopefully forcing them to stop at least temporarily. The problem
Is as individuals they don't care as they can't be held accountable for there actions.

The cops at the window are not gonna care and just following orders from above. U gotta talk to higher ranking hpd if u wanna change anything. But good idea visiting the AG.

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