bottom line, we're screwed.  i'm not happy bout it either.

doesn't willie espero represent the ewa side?  there's a helluvalot of gun owners in those parts.  how'd he get elected, re-elected?  didn't the gun owners vote?  yep, it's the unbeatable democrat juggernaut.

if all oahu gun owners had turned out to vote, vote against Ige when it mattered, yes, crying over spilled milk, trying to close the barn doors after the cows have all run away, damage is done, now we're in damage control mode...

i wouldn't be surprised if half of hawaii gun owners actually voted for Ige, for Espero.  they bought in to the other election priorities, campaign promises.  we screwed ourselves.  we screwed the pooch here.

somebody mentioned, help from "Uncle Trump".  ... as if Hawaii is one of the states that supported Trump.  and we need him to save us as badly as California, New York, Massachussetts, etc all do.

heck, Hawaii was counted in Hillary's column before our polls even closed, before the 1st printout!   WTF!  not even the courtesy of a chance.

heck, look, Sam Slom didn't get re-elected, and he's probably the most helpful to us Hawaii gun owners.  we're going to hell in a hand-basket!

it's gonna take a local gun-owner lawyer, who himself is P.O.'d, and takes this on, on behalf of all of us armchair monday morning QB's.

looking for Big Daddy NRA to bail us out of this mess we allowed ourselves to sink into?  can't blame Muffi for splitting the opposition vote, divide & conquer.  i think there's a Jerry Maguire moment in there, something about helping our selves...

next election cycle, anybody gonna remember?  anything gonna change?  are we going to get the gun-owning non-voters to move from apathy to action?  what're the vegas odds on that happening?

hey, don't flame me, i'm just looking at a grim picture.  bearer of bad tidings.  i'm just the messenger, and it's an butt-fugly message.

Per a Sgt at the firearms division via telephone inquiry today 12/2/2016 at 10:39am HST:

-$42.00 one time fee cash or CC for the rap back that includes new fingerprinting and new application to get you into the Rap Back System.
-Not retroactive at this time, so if you won't be purchasing new guns or re-newing long gun permits on or after 12/05/2016, they can't make you. 

With rap back there is no need for a waiting period or need for renewal
Once you're  in the system,  you're in the system

part 2.

so is it the end of the world?  will the sun come up on Dec 6th?  will it stop gun sales in Hawaii?

my guess is that the lines at HPD will still be as long, as usual.

the average new gun purchaser will only notice that "the fee" went up.

instead of just being in a C&C or state database, we graduated to the majors, we're now in with the FBI, congratulations.  when i buy my next gun (notice, i didn't say "if"), i'll probably have the same trepidation, same nervousness as my first time purchase, standing at the counter at HPD to register.  and we can't really take it out on the good-guy HPD officers who work the window, they're actually pretty good.  not their fault.  it's the people we voted into office.

this is all part of the "cost" of living in Hawaii, what we put up with, in order to live in paradise.  our fellow citizens foist these burdens upon us because they don't like the way we think.  and they're probably in the minority, but they vote.  we put up with the traffic, idiot legislators, corrupt politicians, having to pay higher shipping cost for our gun parts, the 4% excise tax on everything, Servco monopoly on toyotas, no drag strip, big frickin centipedes, long lines at HPD, sucky parking, not having AR-15 pistols, 10-round pistol mags, and now Willie Espero's Rap-Back.

but, sadly, as Reload Hawaii VLOG points out, this really penalizes the military, those who rotate through here.  all of us have seen when a newly-arrived military member is down at HPD, duly complying with state law, registering his dozen firearms, respectful of hawaii law.  and then, when they rotate back to the real world, "state-side" (e.g. Arizona, Texas, other gun-friendly states), they're still in the FBI data base, thanks to Hawaii.  spirit of Aloha goes with them!

of course, Willie Espero is gonna say he's doing the other states a favor.  yeah, right.

this is how Hawaii legislators (Ige, Espero) thank those who've served, those who fight to preserve our way of life, our rights, etc.  might as well take a sharp stick and poke them in the eye, why don't you.

ok, i think i've said my peace.

Any lawsuit ready on Monday?
Once its implemented it would violate FOPA .

bottom line, we're screwed.  i'm not happy bout it either.

doesn't willie espero represent the ewa side?  there's a helluvalot of gun owners in those parts.  how'd he get elected, re-elected?  didn't the gun owners vote?  yep, it's the unbeatable democrat juggernaut.

if all oahu gun owners had turned out to vote, vote against Ige when it mattered, yes, crying over spilled milk, trying to close the barn doors after the cows have all run away, damage is done, now we're in damage control mode...

i wouldn't be surprised if half of hawaii gun owners actually voted for Ige, for Espero.  they bought in to the other election priorities, campaign promises.  we screwed ourselves.  we screwed the pooch here.

somebody mentioned, help from "Uncle Trump".  ... as if Hawaii is one of the states that supported Trump.  and we need him to save us as badly as California, New York, Massachussetts, etc all do.

heck, Hawaii was counted in Hillary's column before our polls even closed, before the 1st printout!   WTF!  not even the courtesy of a chance.

heck, look, Sam Slom didn't get re-elected, and he's probably the most helpful to us Hawaii gun owners.  we're going to hell in a hand-basket!

it's gonna take a local gun-owner lawyer, who himself is P.O.'d, and takes this on, on behalf of all of us armchair monday morning QB's.

looking for Big Daddy NRA to bail us out of this mess we allowed ourselves to sink into?  can't blame Muffi for splitting the opposition vote, divide & conquer.  i think there's a Jerry Maguire moment in there, something about helping our selves...

next election cycle, anybody gonna remember?  anything gonna change?  are we going to get the gun-owning non-voters to move from apathy to action?  what're the vegas odds on that happening?

hey, don't flame me, i'm just looking at a grim picture.  bearer of bad tidings.  i'm just the messenger, and it's an butt-fugly message.

part 2.

so is it the end of the world?  will the sun come up on Dec 6th?  will it stop gun sales in Hawaii?

my guess is that the lines at HPD will still be as long, as usual.

the average new gun purchaser will only notice that "the fee" went up.

instead of just being in a C&C or state database, we graduated to the majors, we're now in with the FBI, congratulations.  when i buy my next gun (notice, i didn't say "if"), i'll probably have the same trepidation, same nervousness as my first time purchase, standing at the counter at HPD to register.  and we can't really take it out on the good-guy HPD officers who work the window, they're actually pretty good.  not their fault.  it's the people we voted into office.

this is all part of the "cost" of living in Hawaii, what we put up with, in order to live in paradise.  our fellow citizens foist these burdens upon us because they don't like the way we think.  and they're probably in the minority, but they vote.  we put up with the traffic, idiot legislators, corrupt politicians, having to pay higher shipping cost for our gun parts, the 4% excise tax on everything, Servco monopoly on toyotas, no drag strip, big frickin centipedes, long lines at HPD, sucky parking, not having AR-15 pistols, 10-round pistol mags, and now Willie Espero's Rap-Back.

but, sadly, as Reload Hawaii VLOG points out, this really penalizes the military, those who rotate through here.  all of us have seen when a newly-arrived military member is down at HPD, duly complying with state law, registering his dozen firearms, respectful of hawaii law.  and then, when they rotate back to the real world, "state-side" (e.g. Arizona, Texas, other gun-friendly states), they're still in the FBI data base, thanks to Hawaii.  spirit of Aloha goes with them!

of course, Willie Espero is gonna say he's doing the other states a favor.  yeah, right.

this is how Hawaii legislators (Ige, Espero) thank those who've served, those who fight to preserve our way of life, our rights, etc.  might as well take a sharp stick and poke them in the eye, why don't you.

ok, i think i've said my peace.

THIS^^^^^^^^

part 2.

so is it the end of the world?  will the sun come up on Dec 6th?  will it stop gun sales in Hawaii?

my guess is that the lines at HPD will still be as long, as usual.

the average new gun purchaser will only notice that "the fee" went up.

instead of just being in a C&C or state database, we graduated to the majors, we're now in with the FBI, congratulations.  when i buy my next gun (notice, i didn't say "if"), i'll probably have the same trepidation, same nervousness as my first time purchase, standing at the counter at HPD to register.  and we can't really take it out on the good-guy HPD officers who work the window, they're actually pretty good.  not their fault.  it's the people we voted into office.

this is all part of the "cost" of living in Hawaii, what we put up with, in order to live in paradise.  our fellow citizens foist these burdens upon us because they don't like the way we think.  and they're probably in the minority, but they vote.  we put up with the traffic, idiot legislators, corrupt politicians, having to pay higher shipping cost for our gun parts, the 4% excise tax on everything, Servco monopoly on toyotas, no drag strip, big frickin centipedes, long lines at HPD, sucky parking, not having AR-15 pistols, 10-round pistol mags, and now Willie Espero's Rap-Back.

but, sadly, as Reload Hawaii VLOG points out, this really penalizes the military, those who rotate through here.  all of us have seen when a newly-arrived military member is down at HPD, duly complying with state law, registering his dozen firearms, respectful of hawaii law.  and then, when they rotate back to the real world, "state-side" (e.g. Arizona, Texas, other gun-friendly states), they're still in the FBI data base, thanks to Hawaii.  spirit of Aloha goes with them!

of course, Willie Espero is gonna say he's doing the other states a favor.  yeah, right.

this is how Hawaii legislators (Ige, Espero) thank those who've served, those who fight to preserve our way of life, our rights, etc.  might as well take a sharp stick and poke them in the eye, why don't you.

ok, i think i've said my peace.

As for the Military, once they join they are in an FBI data base. If they hold any type of secret or higher clearance, they are in the FBI AND NSA data base where they will remain for the rest of their lives, maybe longer. Such is the times in which we live, Big Brother is watching (only with better eyesight).

     Just sent this to the NRA-ILA via https://www.nraila.org/contact-nra-ila/

     Please let them know how you feel. 
     If it gets the same response as we get from applying for CCW here in Hawaii, we can all save a lot of money on them "Membership dues". 
I know I will.   


Dear  NRA-ILA

   On June 23, 2016, Governor Ige of Hawaii was the first in the nation to sign a bill to turn over all of Hawaii's gun owners into a federal database.

   On Monday December  5, 2016 Rap Back  goes into effect.

   There are already several standing laws regarding a National database of firearms owners, so why are you not/have not been jumping on this and nipping it in the bud ?
   Do you think other states will not use this as a precedent to enact similar gun control laws in their states ?

   I am DEEPLY concerned that our NRA-ILA has done nothing to help the firearms owners of Hawaii to combat this atrocity violating our 2nd amendment rights.
(My original concern was the lack of NRA-ILA assistance in the Baker case)

   Your twitter  June 24 of this year  "Breaking: exercising constitutional rights in #Hawaii now gets you entered into a federal watchlist, er, database" was too little of what I expected from the bastion of our 2nd Amendment rights.

   The Firearms community of Hawaii supports the NRA because the
NRA supports privacy rights for gun owners.

According to the NRA, NRA's first purpose and objective is:
"To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, especially with reference to the inalienable right of the individual American citizen guaranteed by such Constitution to acquire, possess, collect, exhibit, transport, carry, transfer ownership of, and enjoy the right to use arms."

We here in Hawaii are waiting for you to show us that commitment.

   Respectfully submitted,

          RXOXCXKXYX

Done!

Any lawsuit ready on Monday?
Once its implemented it would violate FOPA .

Last i heard, Rick and Alan were willing to take it on but wanted at least $15k in funds from gun owners(i dont have that kind of cash on hand right now) So its either donations to geth them involoved or if aa group we want to get together and help do the work im willing to file it Pro Se but i would need help with some of the work and the cost to file would be $400 or $500.

Last i heard, Rick and Alan were willing to take it on but wanted at least $15k in funds from gun owners(i dont have that kind of cash on hand right now) So its either donations to geth them involoved or if aa group we want to get together and help do the work im willing to file it Pro Se but i would need help with some of the work and the cost to file would be $400 or $500.

What does the NRA collect annually from Hawaii resident members? They could send some of that back to attorneys fighting Hawaii cases. Notice I said "could". Actually, I guess after you subtract the million dollar ($984,000) annual salary for LaPierre, the $829,000 for Chris Cox, and the $2,870,000 [NOT a typo!] for treasurer Wilson Phillips... oh, never mind...

Done!

   That's one. 
C'mon guys,  take a minute to see if we can get the NRA-ILA to help.
Let them know that there are more than Libby Dems here in the islands.

With rap back there is no need for a waiting period or need for renewal
Once you're  in the system,  you're in the system

Is this happening ?

I have reached out to InfoWars for assistance in getting national coverage and received a response. Some basic info and contacts with the HRA have been forwarded.

How about nominating all drivers in Hawaii to Rap Back?

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/28820026/freeway-lanes-reopen-following-fatal-h-1-motorcycle-crash-live-traffic-updates-on-kgmb-and-hawaiinewsnowcom

I dropped an email to the NRA-ILA. Requested the courtesyof a reply, none yet.
Have been a member for many years.
Asked if they were going to step up and help us out.
Mentioned that if not many years of dues and contributions may have been poorly spent.
That said, I still support the NRA for all the stuff they have accomplished at the Federal level, but perhaps my contributions may be more
selective.
Aloha

I just e-mailed NRA-ILA also asking for help in fighting this law.  Basically asking them to give assistance to the HRA and also to use the NRA's influence with the new Fed DOJ to have them stop their database from containing names and information of law abiding gunowners.
I will e-mail DJT when he's in office and soon to be AG Sessions to use Fed influence to block this state law.

I spoke to Rick Holcomb and Alan beck today,  I'm going to shoot them an e-mail with all the background I have done over the last few months and hopefully they will see the merit and work with me on the $$$

That being said if we can raise the $15k we need they will take it on no matter what

Sorry dude, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the "lobbying" arm of the National Rifle Association.

Egad, I made a mistake.  It's the NRA Civil Rights Legal Defense Fund.  These things get so confusing.  http://nradefensefund.org/.  Would be good to get some lobbying support from them too anyways.  Every little it helps.

They are also on the Combined Federal Campaign (CFC), so federal workers can donate to them easily.  I forgot about this and I've done the CFC thing to them before.

Posted at HPD as they closed the door.

I spoke to Rick Holcomb and Alan beck today,  I'm going to shoot them an e-mail with all the background I have done over the last few months and hopefully they will see the merit and work with me on the $$$

That being said if we can raise the $15k we need they will take it on no matter what

Also mention that there is a mandatory fee of $40-$56 to excercise a Constitutional Right.