Another thing we could try is to write to Donald Trump and see if he can have the FBI stop participation in the rapback firearm owners registration for Hawaii.   Problems I foresee is I heard the FBI is an independent agency from the president.  Anyone know?  Also it would take a few months to stop.

Gun owners are idiots. Ask me why.

Problems I foresee is I heard the FBI is an independent agency from the president.  Anyone know?  Also it would take a few months to stop.

You just need to "accidentally/coincidentally" meet the incoming head of the Justice Department (Sessions) while his and your planes are waiting on the tarmack and discuss the grandkids.

I'm down to donate.

This all could have been avoided if people were proactive, vs reactive. 

Plenty here have done much to attempt to prevent this.

Many many more stayed in the ainokea mode.

I can speculate on why it was done like this....

1. they did not want to have 10,000 people down there trying to get their permits in to beat the implementation and

2. (most importantly) they did not want the law implemented BEFORE THE ELECTION, because they knew it would DOOM the MASTERMIND of this garbage WILL ESPERO and the complicit leader of this illegal law DAVID IGE!

You just need to "accidentally/coincidentally" meet the incoming head of the Justice Department (Sessions) while his and your planes are waiting on the tarmack and discuss the grandkids.

I was thinking have everyone write letters to Trump or the FBI director or a progun US Congressman that we know will act and stop the FBI.  It seems the FBI director has a small chance in helping since he did that Hillary email thing before the election.

Also need suggestions on how to get military service members involved to help us.

This all could have been avoided if people were proactive, vs reactive. 

Plenty here have done much to attempt to prevent this.

Many many more stayed in the ainokea mode.

whatchu talkin' 'bout Heavies?

I just went back and looked through the testimony before the committees in February and March of this year. Each time between three (3) and five (5) people in the entire state of Hawaii bothered to take the time to send an email to the legislature voicing their opposition to this legislation.

Taking the highly likely very low estimate of gun owning households (how many people might be hesitant to tell a stranger on the phone or in person that they have firearms in the home?) in Hawaii at 9.7%, with 403,240 households, that would be a minimum of 39,114 gun owners in Hawaii (and of course there may well be more than one gun owner in a household). (And if the estimates of the number of guns in Hawaii is anywhere near accurate at well over a million, that means that each household averages owning twenty-six (26) firearms! So you can see the likely very low underestimate of households owning firearms... not that there's anything wrong with owning a few dozen firearms!  ). So taking the high amount of testimony (5) opposing the RAPBACK bill, and the likely very low estimate of gun owners at 39,114, that means that all of .00013 of gun owners voiced their opposition to the bill. Are you really claiming that just because 39,109 out of 39,114 gun owwenrs failed to utter a peep that that indicates an "ainokea" attitude? I can think of a few other words for it...

The $15000 to file a suit is the minimum.  This case won't be resolved in Hawaii and will need to be appealed on the federal side which will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.   We need a plan for the future commitment before we get started.

The $15000 to file a suit is the minimum.  This case won't be resolved in Hawaii and will need to be appealed on the federal side which will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.   We need a plan for the future commitment before we get started.

If $15k is enough to get this started, we would only need 358 people to give their $42 to this cause, and forego donating it to state to enroll in this the illegal legislation.

That, my friends, is totally do able, IMHO

I expect that can be raised by the end of the week if someone takes this on.

If $15k is enough to get this started, we would only need 358 people to give their $42 to this cause, and forego donating it to state to enroll in this the illegal legislation.

That, my friends, is totally do able, IMHO

I expect that can be raised by the end of the week if someone takes this on.

Conversely, you could appeal to the top ten paid NRA employees to donate o.19% (less than one fifth of one percent) of their 2013 annual salaries ($7,700,000) and cover it that way. Good luck.

whatchu talkin' 'bout Heavies?

I just went back and looked through the testimony before the committees in February and March of this year. Each time between three (3) and five (5) people in the entire state of Hawaii bothered to take the time to send an email to the legislature voicing their opposition to this legislation.

Taking the highly likely very low estimate of gun owning households (how many people might be hesitant to tell a stranger on the phone or in person that they have firearms in the home?) in Hawaii at 9.7%, with 403,240 households, that would be a minimum of 39,114 gun owners in Hawaii (and of course there may well be more than one gun owner in a household). (And if the estimates of the number of guns in Hawaii is anywhere near accurate at well over a million, that means that each household averages owning twenty-six (26) firearms! So you can see the likely very low underestimate of households owning firearms... not that there's anything wrong with owning a few dozen firearms!  ). So taking the high amount of testimony (5) opposing the RAPBACK bill, and the likely very low estimate of gun owners at 39,114, that means that all of .00013 of gun owners voiced their opposition to the bill. Are you really claiming that just because 39,109 out of 39,114 gun owwenrs failed to utter a peep that that indicates an "ainokea" attitude? I can think of a few other words for it...

My emails were sent April 1, 26 and 27.
Were they even counted (like Hawaii CCW applications) ?

If $15k is enough to get this started, we would only need 358 people to give their $42 to this cause, and forego donating it to state to enroll in this the illegal legislation.

That, my friends, is totally do able, IMHO

I expect that can be raised by the end of the week if someone takes this on.

Yes $15k is the amount given to me by Rick and Alan. I am sending them a whole bunch of information on Monday to plan out a lawsuit. Thats part of why i was asking if any one could send me copys of the applications from the outer islands as there may be a significant legal challenge to rapback hidden within.

With regards to the Money, the amount needed is actually only $14.5K as i have already put in $500 myself and i know a few other people have said they were willing to contribute to a lawsuit as well.

If anyone would like to contribute to the fight they can do so via paypal to : a_roberts_84@yahoo.co.uk
Via Check or money order, payable to Andrew Namiki Roberts.
Mailed to : Andrew Namiki Roberts P.O BOX 283182 Honolulu, HI 96828

Any money received will go towards the legal fight to stop rapback any additional funds and/or unused funds will go towards other 2nd amendment challenges.

If you have any questions feel fre to PM me, Ask me here or give me a call at 808 726 2424.

For those that are not aware, I successfully filed a lawsuit last year (using the smae lawyers) challenging HPD'S policy's regarding non citizens possessing firearms in the state. MY Lawsuit was successful and was settled by HPD costing them over $22k in legal fees.

you can apply for a non profit and have the donations tax deductible

you can apply for a non profit and have the donations tax deductible

If the sole purpose of the organisation is to file lawsuits it can not claim non profit status, Also Non profits cant lobby.

And that ladys and gents is WHY the HRA does not / can not /will not help.

Can you set up a go fund me or sometging?

Yes $15k is the amount given to me by Rick and Alan. I am sending them a whole bunch of information on Monday to plan out a lawsuit. Thats part of why i was asking if any one could send me copys of the applications from the outer islands as there may be a significant legal challenge to rapback hidden within.

With regards to the Money, the amount needed is actually only $14.5K as i have already put in $500 myself and i know a few other people have said they were willing to contribute to a lawsuit as well.

If anyone would like to contribute to the fight they can do so via paypal to : a_roberts_84@yahoo.co.uk
Via Check or money order, payable to Andrew Namiki Roberts.
Mailed to : Andrew Namiki Roberts P.O BOX 283182 Honolulu, HI 96828

Any money received will go towards the legal fight to stop rapback any additional funds and/or unused funds will go towards other 2nd amendment challenges.

If you have any questions feel fre to PM me, Ask me here or give me a call at 808 726 2424.

For those that are not aware, I successfully filed a lawsuit last year (using the smae lawyers) challenging HPD'S policy's regarding non citizens possessing firearms in the state. MY Lawsuit was successful and was settled by HPD costing them over $22k in legal fees.

    Sounds like Jill Steins Facebook Page .

Sorry London, I know this is serious but I couldn't help it. 

    Sounds like Jill Steins Facebook Page .

Sorry London, I know this is serious but I couldn't help it. 

Hey......    but im not going to jack the amount up every time we get close.

I Get what your saying tho. I just want to cover my bases, I dont want to take 15K have some one else file a suit before us or Have the AG decided the laws illegal or have it not cost that much] and be stuck with the money. There is other fights that can be had with those funds.

Im trying to be open and honest about it, Hence my full real name and a phone number. Im also going to try hit up the range tommorow morning so if any one wants to say hi or has questions you can speak to me there. I dont have green hair anymore but will be wearing a bright yellow minion t-shirt.

My emails were sent April 1, 26 and 27.
Were they even counted (like Hawaii CCW applications) ?

Not as testimony before a committee. Below is the schedule of the hearings and the testimony dates. The only meeting after your April 1 date was a conference committee that did not take testimony. Perhaps you wrote personal emails to individual legislators, but you didn't submit any testimony on those dates. It doesn't really matter anyway, they ignored it whatever it's "official" status. I remember writing in a thread about the results of a testimony count I did on some other bill this last session, and it was something like 106 to 12 for our side, and the bill passed (against us) either unanimously or close to unanimously. The only thing that will change anything here is big/"huge"/"big league" money to 1. litigate lots of lawsuits with top level attorneys, or 2. "Buy" legislative positions by outspending the gun grabbers by many times for many consecutive elections. Another possibility is that the Trump administration manages to pass some measures that would impose serious financial negatives on Hawaii unless they respect our rights to keep and bear arms. The "convert the populous to our view" via various outreach and educational efforts, which I believe won't work, would take at least 30 to 50 years even if such efforts did work... unless, again, some big league money was made consistently available for the effort.

While I believe that it really "makes no difference" if I submit testimony, write and call legislators, and file UIPA official requests for information that the various police departments and Attorney General don't want revealed to the public, I do it anyway, just in the spirit of "we know what you are doing". As they basically ignore my UIPA requests, even after the OIP attorney sends them notice that they must at least respond to the official requests, the only remaining option is to file lawsuits, and I have neither the legal expertise to file pro se, nor the funds to even think about hiring an attorney. Thus they, with their deep pockets, use our tax money to fight any efforts by us to have them reveal publicly how they reach the conclusions and policy decisions they do (such as "Some guy wants to know the statutory justification for us issuing a CCW license for nine days when the statute clearly says "the term of the license shall be one year."). I rather suspect that behind closed doors and among friends they laugh at us. Sort of like "Ah, isn't that cute! They think they can make US reveal how we do things! What a bunch of naive morons! We're the COPS for chrissakes!".

Testimony

SB2954_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-11-16
SB2954_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-11-16_LATE
SB2954_SD1_TESTIMONY_JDL_03-01-16
SB2954_SD1_TESTIMONY_JDL_03-01-16_LATE
SB2954_SD2_TESTIMONY_JUD_03-18-16_


Hearing Notices
Comm   Room   Date/Time   
PSM    CR229    2/11/2016 1:15 PM    
JDL    016    3/01/2016 9:05 AM    
JUD    325    3/18/2016 2:00 PM    
CONF    312    4/20/2016 9:00 AM    

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2954&year=2016

i'll bet the gun-grabbers are reading this post, and laughing themselves silly.  Willie Espero will probably issue a press release about how successful this bill was in reducing violent crime in Hawaii, being first in the nation, take credit for something that didn't occur, it happens all the time, low-life politicians.  actually it might slow things down for a day or two, people have to go back to the bank machine, take another day off from work to stand in line again, but then the line at HPD will probably go back to normal.  line will probably be longer since now there's 8 forms to fill out, instead of 4.

law-abiding (prospective) gun owners will think, what's the downside for me?  meh.