5.  Not sure why LE need to do rapback for personal weapons.  They should already be in rapback for their job.  To add to this, everyone currently in rapback shouldn't have to pay the rapback fee or fill out the additional forms.

London808 helped me with this question.  There are different categories for rapback.  So you could have an entry for your employment, and another entry as a firearms owner.  Also your employment entry could expire in rapback.  This is why LE and those already in rapback would still have to pay and signup for this.

So it's like being charged twice for the same "service"? 

Hmmm... kind of like billing a client twice for the same work performed?

In the private sector this would be grounds for a criminal and civil lawsuit.  I think it goes under the term "Fraud".   

Good Job guys, I know a lot of you have donated and some of them were rather sizeable. We are currently at 1750 (once you take out the fees) a little over 10% of the way there in 24 hours.

The go fund me has Raised 1000 in 5 hours !!!!!. 

315 more people, donate your $42 to this cause, don't waste it on the tyrannical state! 

They have enough of your hard earned cash already!

315 more people, donate your $42 to this cause, don't waste it on the tyrannical state! 

They have enough of your hard earned cash already!

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Damn straight

Got this email this afternoon:

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2016/6/14/hiding-in-hawaii-rap-back-program-revealed-to-be-gun-registration-scheme/

I'm sharing the gofundme page on my Facebook page. I'll be making my donation as soon as payday comes.

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I submitted my long gun application a couple of weeks ago and am supposed to pick up this week.   Am I to expect anything when I go pick it up?   Will I be expected to apply & pay for rapback?   Or only when I go back to register any new long guns?  Thanks.

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I submitted my long gun application a couple of weeks ago and am supposed to pick up this week.   Am I to expect anything when I go pick it up?   Will I be expected to apply & pay for rapback?   Or only when I go back to register any new long guns?

I would expect B.S. only when you submit something for registration.  Then again, the request for permit was when the PD had their opportunity to fingerprint the first time.

I just wanted my business done before the official start date.  Nothing I can do about being in the system.

Hers another link with a faceook etc... link
Leave your comment regarding where or how is NRA-ILA helping us.

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2016/6/14/hiding-in-hawaii-rap-back-program-revealed-to-be-gun-registration-scheme/

Out of curiosity how many of you will not buy firearms anymore due to this bs. Maybe this should be a poll. This will def affect our local firearm  businesses

I might put my next firearm purchase on hold for a while. I'll still support local business buying ammunition and accessories.

I might put my next firearm purchase on hold for a while. I'll still support local business buying ammunition and accessories.

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Ladies and Gents,

I would like to make a point about this situation that perhaps no one has brought up yet.
Basically we are in a lose-lose situation.
If you go ahead and make your purchase today then you just bent over and took one in the butt...they win.
If you stopped or delayed a purchase because of this law, then the antigun libs have won a huge victory by stopping a legitimate transaction.
They win again.

CHECKMATE! WE LOST!

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Ladies and Gents,

I would like to make a point about this situation that perhaps no one has brought up yet.
Basically we are in a lose-lose situation.
If you go ahead and make your purchase today then you just bent over and took one in the butt...they win.
If you stopped or delayed a purchase because of this law, then the antigun libs have won a huge victory by stopping a legitimate transaction.
They win again.

CHECKMATE! WE LOST!

I think there is at least one more aspect to look at: "unintended consequences". I think we all know what that is, so I'm not going to write the words.

Is that a "win" or a "loss" for the "antigun libs"?

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Ladies and Gents,

I would like to make a point about this situation that perhaps no one has brought up yet.
Basically we are in a lose-lose situation.
If you go ahead and make your purchase today then you just bent over and took one in the butt...they win.
If you stopped or delayed a purchase because of this law, then the antigun libs have won a huge victory by stopping a legitimate transaction.
They win again.

CHECKMATE! WE LOST!

We have not lost by far, I have $3002 in the war chest that says otherwise, We have collected 20% of what we need to get this started in the first 24 hours.

I think there is at least one more aspect to look at: "unintended consequences". I think we all know what that is, so I'm not going to write the words.

Is that a "win" or a "loss" for the "antigun libs"?

I am thinking the same thing.

Out of curiosity how many of you will not buy firearms anymore due to this bs. Maybe this should be a poll. This will def affect our local firearm  businesses

I picked up a few over the summer/fall that I probably was going to hold off until much later.  However, that was mostly due to the election.  Yes, RapBack is on my mind, but I wasn't seriously planning on picking up anything for a while after the buying spree that I just went on.  That and there are other things that I need to pickup that got pushed down the list due to pushing the gun buys sooner. 

Overall, I see a hit in local firearm sales.  That said, I can see many who 1) aren't even aware of RapBack and 2) are aware but don't care and will continue to buy.  Personally, I don't like it and will help in London's or other's efforts to fight.  That said, if it came down to it, the current situation wouldn't prevent me from buying. 

Well look what I got this morning from the NRA. How come this canned response doesn't surprise me? Getting ready to tell them to F off, put my patron membership card in the mail and send it to Wayne and tell them to kiss my ass. We are on our own...

Thank you for contacting the NRA-ILA regarding the current state of gun control in Hawaii. The NRA-ILA is aware of the current state of affairs in Hawaii and by no means have given up in your state. The NRA fights day in and day out in order to protect your 2nd Amendment rights, but there are steps you can take to help as well. It is important to contact your state representatives and senators and voice your opinion to them. The change in Hawaii may come, but it will likely be a long and hard fight with many small legislative, political and legal victories.

BULLSHIT!

Well look what I got this morning from the NRA. How come this canned response doesn't surprise me? Getting ready to tell them to F off, put my patron membership card in the mail and send it to Wayne and tell them to kiss my ass. We are on our own...

Thank you for contacting the NRA-ILA regarding the current state of gun control in Hawaii. The NRA-ILA is aware of the current state of affairs in Hawaii and by no means have given up in your state. The NRA fights day in and day out in order to protect your 2nd Amendment rights, but there are steps you can take to help as well. It is important to contact your state representatives and senators and voice your opinion to them. The change in Hawaii may come, but it will likely be a long and hard fight with many small legislative, political and legal victories.

BULLSHIT!

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What stupid shortsighted response.
Hawaii is the hole in the dike. Don't they get it?

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What stupid shortsighted response.
Hawaii is the hole in the dike. Don't they get it?

Yup...wasn't about to let it stop there. called the ILA and spoke with them. Told  this guy "Eric" that we were pissed off and could stand to lose a number of members, including myself, if they don't get off their collective butts. Alos told him talking to the legisaltors is like trying to talk the smell off a pile of dog crap since we've done that numerous times both at the city, state and fed level. Asked him "did you ever bother to look at what color this state"? SILENCE! then asked him "did the NRA ever bother to see what color out entire house is, the only republican was ousted during the last election"? At least he admitted "no he didn't".  Asked him by knowing the color of our state, who the reps and senators are and their voting record on 2A issues, what makes him think they'll listen? They'll just tell us in a nice form letter that they send to everyone to "piss off". I then told himthat the NRA better get their lawyers out here and help us out. If the NRA doesn't then maybe the NRA needs to be sued for a "breach of promise" to it's members and sued by it's members, after all that's one of the big selling membership selling points!? Eric asked me to wait and put me on hold for about 10 minutes (guessing he needed to talk to someone). He came back and said an alert was sent out to the HRA about what they are planning to do and that they will be taking legal action in the "near" future. Eric said that the NRA hopes the new administration will nullify the law since it is violation of federal law or it will be done thru the federal courts (after new appointments to the 9th circuit) but either way they are acting on it, supposedly. what I'm going to suggest is that all of us here call the dickens out of the NRA and keep bugging them, likewise the HRA. We need to get these guys off their collective asses, including us in the rank and file. Just don't talk, act, donate. Heck I'm sure you can pass up that plate lunch for a couple of days (might be healthy), bring lunch in from home and donate what you saved to the fund me initiative, every little bit helps. If not then people need to keep their traps shut. we dont need to talk, we need to yell and yell loudly.  Here is the number to the NRA: 1 (800) 672 3888 option 4. Have your membership number ready. If not, no biggie they'll still talk to you. give em hell!