The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


But you are forced to sign a release....

Game set and match, the fact that they require a release tells you it's not a legal action, if it was they would just do it

Maj. Robinson just shot himself in the foot with that AG link.
No where on that link States anything about application of a permit .

Maj. Robinson just shot himself in the foot with that AG link.
No where on that link States anything about application of a permit .

Thats right, All he did was affirm what i said, Fees and Rapback are at Registration and not permits. I feel another Slam dunk coming on.

Guys I love you all but I cannot wait to leave this State soon.  The State Government ruins this place time and time again.

People like Robinson should not be in Government at all.

Just a quick thing if any one wants to do a skype session to just shoot the shit or if any one has questions about rapback and whats going on you can add me on skype @ a_roberts_84@yahoo.co.uk

"I suggest any further inquires regarding the application of firearms laws be directed to the Attorney Generals office."

Major Richard Robinson

.................When you direct question to the AG office they wont talk to you......                    

.................When you direct question to the AG office they wont talk to you......                    

Mr. Roberts,
 
Unfortunately, the Attorney General cannot analyze, or provide legal advice to private citizens.  As provided by statute:
 
The department shall administer and render state legal services, including furnishing of written legal opinions to the governor, legislature, and such state departments and officers as the governor may direct; represent the State in all civil actions in which the State is a party; approve as to legality and form all documents relating to the acquisition of any land or interest in lands by the State; and, unless otherwise provided by law, prosecute cases involving violations of state laws and cases involving agreements, uniform laws, or other matters which are enforceable in the courts of the State. The attorney general shall be charged with such other duties and have such authority as heretofore provided by common law or statute.  Section 26-7, Hawaii Revised Statutes.
 
I regret that we are unable to help you.

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     "Yup was pretty pissed off.
Guess I was just venting and I apologize" also
     But your proposed action sounded just like what I've been reading about the young left so the names fit.
(As for name calling, maybe you should have a little respect for your elders).

     Appreciate your service to educate others with the Hawaii Hunter Ed program, very educational in  flora and fauna as well as hunting and natural resources
 Not to belittle you, but after completing that course (in addition to my already existing certifications) I (as well as other professionals) did not find that it provided adequate handgun education to qualify one for a handgun permit. 
If  you really don't discharge a fire arm or even touch one,  how can you be educated about them ?
Perhaps that is something they could work on.

   Glad your all in !   

Understand....I came off pretty childish now that I've read it. Hey by the way I agree 100% on HE class really teaches nothing about handguns. Let me clerify your what another Master and I suggested to the legislature. We advocated to get the NRA on board and, using the Wildlife Restoration Act of 1938 (think that's the year also known as Pittman/Robertson Act) funds to finance 75 cents on the dollar with the rest coming from the state and private fund from donations, fundraisers etc, and money from the NRA, we suggested that an air conditioned "classroom" be built at Kokohead, administered by the HE program. The course would be given there with handguns being taught by instructors who were NRA certified and woul follow all the rules for classroom as well as live fire. It was shot down by the sate, C&C and DOCARE, who managed to push thru what we have now. If I had my way the program would not qualify for a handgun permit. Oh well, we tried. Even asked for a classroom at Schofield dedicated for the course but were turned down by the Army (liability?).
Gonna play the game with Rap Back and just pay in normal denominations. Don't want to make a bad situation worse. Thanks for setting me straight. Us old farts can get pretty ornery 

I will be at the range Tomorrow, I will be shooting my pistol (might actually hit the target this time.) If you have any questions, Just want to say hi ect.... let me knows.

This is a tangent to a tangent, but...

1. You support the concept of the government mandating "education" and/or mandating criteria to "qualify" in order to exercise a constitutionally-guaranteed right?
2. You support the concept of needing a permission slip from the government in order to keep and bear arms?
3. Do you support "universal background checks" on all transfers of firearms?
4. Do you support "registration" of all firearms?
5. Do you support the current taxes and paperwork required to own a suppressor and/or rifles and shotguns of certain dimensions or full automatic fire capability?
6. Do you support banning firearms accessories (magazines, etc.) based upon their cosmetic features or numeric capacity?
7. What else?
8. Why?

I support what Rocky said. As a former Master Instructor, I was always against it in its present form. At least a 10%  of my students never fired a handgun. Dangerous!

My replywent out swifftly

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Major Robinson,

The linked document again reiterates my original documention that your department is charging $42 to other than new applicants.

● The law authorizes people who register firearms in Hawaii to be entered in the FBI’s Rap Back service database.

"● People who have previously registered firearms in Hawaii will not be entered into Rap Back, unless they want to register an additional firearm in the future."

"● In addition to the $12.00 fee for the FBI background check, a fee of $30.00 will be assessed to all firearm registrants for the State background check. "

Applying for a permit is not a registration and as pointed pointed in my original e-mail, The law states that the fee applicable for a permit is for first time applicants.

You are correct in that the Honolulu Police department does not interpret the law but in this case you seem to think that its appropriate. Your own documentation shows that you are in fact wrong and that the fee is only applicable to new applicants and that rap back enrollment and the fee are applicable, at the time of registration.

Please take the time to re-read the document and get back to me. Next time i am at the station (December 19th to collect me permit) I will also drop of a copy of the constitution, As it appears your may be missing a few sections 


Andrew Namiki Roberts,
Second Amendment Fanatic

Thanks for your hard work. 

.................When you direct question to the AG office they wont talk to you......                    

Mr. Roberts,
 
Unfortunately, the Attorney General cannot analyze, or provide legal advice to private citizens.  As provided by statute:
 
The department shall administer and render state legal services, including furnishing of written legal opinions to the governor, legislature, and such state departments and officers as the governor may direct; represent the State in all civil actions in which the State is a party; approve as to legality and form all documents relating to the acquisition of any land or interest in lands by the State; and, unless otherwise provided by law, prosecute cases involving violations of state laws and cases involving agreements, uniform laws, or other matters which are enforceable in the courts of the State. The attorney general shall be charged with such other duties and have such authority as heretofore provided by common law or statute.  Section 26-7, Hawaii Revised Statutes.
 
I regret that we are unable to help you.

The Attorney General's Office, the Attorney General and the staff attorneys and clerks spent $73,140,520 (2013-2014 FY Budget) of taxpayer's (aka "the people"'s) money to justify ANY action taken by any branch of state government, no matter how arbitrary and capricious or unconstitutional those acts may be. Not only will they not make any public comment on any questions of law asked by the public, but they will not even answer the question of exactly who in their office was responsible for rendering an opinion. They must think the phrase "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" is a quaint relic only uttered or believed by hayseeds. Your tax dollars at work.

If you dont pay and they wont register it, On day 6 you can be arrested even if you ar at the station to register it. Being arrested is not being convicted. But between arrest and not guilty you can/would lose your 2A rights as you would of committed a crime using a firearm.

I don't see anywhere that would give them the power to take away your firearms for an arrest but no conviction. Not saying his plan is a good idea but an arrest alone would not be enough. Furthermore, it would be a misdemeanor crime if convicted and it wouldn't be a violent one so I still don't see anywhere that would say his firearms would/could get taken away.

Just so you guys are aware, That by not paying the $42, If HPD decides not to issue my permit i lose my 2A rights AGAIN.

§134-7.3  Seizure of firearms upon disqualification.  (a)  If any applicant is denied a permit, the chiefs of police of the respective counties shall send, by certified mail, a notice setting forth the reasons for the denial and may require that the applicant voluntarily surrender all firearms and ammunition to the chief of police where the applicant resides or dispose of all firearms and ammunition.  If an applicant fails to voluntarily surrender or dispose of all firearms and ammunition within thirty days from the date notice was mailed, the chief of police may seize all firearms and ammunition.

EEF, Would it be to far to believe that due to a registration denial and you being in possession of an unregistered firearm, HPD would go get a warrant to seize that firearm and in the process seize all your other firearms at the same time.

Lack of Rapback is a disqualifying attribute to firearm ownership now?  Didn't see that one in the law either.

I've seen several mentions of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act (FOPA) in this thread...  I'd caution against getting your hopes up that a challenge based on FOPA will have any success.  If you read the applicable section of the U.S. Code, to include the definitions used, it looks to me like FOPA only restricts the Attorney General of the United States from making such rules.  It doesn't restrict state legislatures from passing laws, state governors from signing/enacting them, or state attorneys general from enforcing them.

Looks unlikely that we'll be able to get the law completely blocked via litigation; change will have to come from the ballot box. 

I've seen several mentions of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act (FOPA) in this thread...  I'd caution against getting your hopes up that a challenge based on FOPA will have any success.  If you read the applicable section of the U.S. Code, to include the definitions used, it looks to me like FOPA only restricts the Attorney General of the United States from making such rules.  It doesn't restrict state legislatures from passing laws, state governors from signing/enacting them, or state attorneys general from enforcing them.

Looks unlikely that we'll be able to get the law completely blocked via litigation; change will have to come from the ballot box.

And who must approve non criminal justice use of rapback.......

Might be time to start lobbying Sen Sessions, then...