Trying to find people actually willing to take risks to help is near impossible.

Trying to find people actually willing to take risks to help is near impossible.

Gotta make some good friends first.

Damn, forgot to give you the donation money at the gun show.

Why has the money not been raised yet?  Come on people!  $50 donated to the cause.

Jared

Trying to find people actually willing to take risks to help is near impossible.

Everyone here knows how corrupt the AG and HPD is.  They would violate your rights in a drop of a hat if it served them.

I will be leaving soon permanently and will take up my fight once I am no longer within their grasp.

Have some time to be working on this again, its been a long year for me with a lot of ups and downs.

Lets start getting some letters/e-mails going out to see if we can get this worked out.

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Honolulu Police Department’s Firearms Unit.

I am writing to request information regarding the departments requirement that those applying for a permit to acquire either a pistol or long gun MUST sign a document identifies as “HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT FIREARMS SECTION : State and National Criminal History Check : Consent and notification” form

This form is not mentioned to my in Hawaii state law HRS 134-2.  I would like to know who provided/created the form (and its attachments). What section of HRS 134-2 authorizes/requires its use and who provided the legal interpretation for its use.

Thanks in advance

Andrew Namiki Roberts

and one out to the Hawaii AG's office.

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To whom it may concern.

I am writing to enquire about whether the Hawaii State attorney generals office has provided to the Honolulu police department and/or its chief a legal instruction and or interpretation that requires a person obtaining a permit to acquire a firearm be it pistol, rifle or shotgun sign a form identified by the Honolulu police department as “HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT FIREARMS SECTION : State and National Criminal History Check : Consent and notification” form.
I was provided with a link to a document created by the AG's office that states Entery into rapback is done at time of registration. https://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Rap-Back-Facts-Sheet-Final-12-7-16-002.pdf

This document clearly stats (multiple times) that registration is the factor that enters somebody into rapback and as stated I am wondering if additional instruction was provided stating that it is also required at the time of applying for a permit.

Thanks in Advance
Andrew Namiki Roberts

and one out to the Hawaii AG's office.

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To whom it may concern.

I am writing to enquire as to enquire about whether the Hawaii State attorney generals office has provided to the Honolulu police department and/or its chief a legal instruction and or interpretation that requires a person obtaining a permit to acquire a firearm be it pistol, rifle or shotgun sign a form identified by the Honolulu police department as “HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT FIREARMS SECTION : State and National Criminal History Check : Consent and notification” form.
I was provided with a link to a document created by the AG's office that states Entery into rapback is done at time of registration. https://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Rap-Back-Facts-Sheet-Final-12-7-16-002.pdf

This document clearly stats (multiple times) that registration is the factor that enters somebody into rapback and as stated I am wondering if additional instruction was provided stating that it is also required at the time of applying for a permit.

Thanks in Advance
Andrew Namiki Roberts

I noticed you have your spell check set to "Limey". I had similar issues using some versions of Linux. Can't argue with the Queen about proper English, but it looks odd to us knuckle-dragging Colonials.

To Andrew Namiki Roberts

Thank you for your inquiring.  You can review SB2954 / ACT 108 from 2016 for information on the Rap Back service.

Thank you
HPD Firearms Unit

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Notice how they didnt answer the question and also note that the e-mail is not signed by an individual but by the department.

And in reply.

I am aware of the wording of the law. I am seeking clarification on the Honolulu police departments interpretation of the law, Which section of the the law HRS 134-2 does HPD interpret to require some one applying for a permit is required to sign a rap back release form and who made that interpretation.

Thanks Andrew Namiki Roberts.

Had to resend my e-mail as it appears they may not have received it. (i didnt get a reply)

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As it seems my last e-mail was not received I have again included the information below, may i also have included with your reply the name of the officer who is/has responding to my e-mails.

I am aware of the wording of the law. I am seeking clarification on the Honolulu police departments interpretation of the law, Which section of the the law HRS 134-2 does HPD interpret to require some one applying for a permit is required to sign a Rapback release form and who made that interpretation.

They basically gave you your link back for RAPBACK info. 

When applying for the permit, they stamp "RAPBACK PAID" on top to indicate they have received the payment. Perhaps they are afraid that if they require the fee during the registration, they might get confused and forget to collect the fee. Perhaps they are ass-uming that if an applicant is gonna request the permit to acquire, the applicant will naturally have to register the firearm anyways so why not kill two birds with one stone.

When applying for the permit, they stamp "RAPBACK PAID" on top to indicate they have received the payment. Perhaps they are afraid that if they require the fee during the registration, they might get confused and forget to collect the fee. Perhaps they are ass-uming that if an applicant is gonna request the permit to acquire, the applicant will naturally have to register the firearm anyways so why not kill two birds with one stone.

What if you get a permit nd never buy a firearm ? why would you need to sign the wavier to be in rapback and why would you have to pay to be in rapback.

What if you get a permit nd never buy a firearm ? why would you need to sign the wavier to be in rapback and why would you have to pay to be in rapback.

There are fees for certain government services.  You know that when you go in to fill out the applications.  If you change your mind, or circumstances force you to not follow through, that's not the police department's fault.  They processed your permit based on your request.  They keep your money.

If you want removed from RAPBACK, you can petition HPD.  If you have no firearms registered in Hawaii (never bought one), it should be straightforward.  You're still out the fee.

There are fees for certain government services.  You know that when you go in to fill out the applications.  If you change your mind, or circumstances force you to not follow through, that's not the police department's fault.  They processed your permit based on your request.  They keep your money.

If you want removed from RAPBACK, you can petition HPD.  If you have no firearms registered in Hawaii (never bought one), it should be straightforward.  You're sill out the fee.

Take your trolling bullshit to another thread

Take your trolling bullshit to another thread

What makes you think I'm trolling you? 

Just curious if anyone knows the current state of rapback. Is there a legal case still in the works (thought I heard things would move forward once a new police chief was selected) or is here to stay?

Just curious if anyone knows the current state of rapback. Is there a legal case still in the works (thought I heard things would move forward once a new police chief was selected) or is here to stay?

Had to take a break on it for a while due to some paperwork issues that have been resolved.

Had to take a break on it for a while due to some paperwork issues that have been resolved.

This is what I'm trying to figure out:

If I'm already enrolled in the the Hawaii state criminal database and the FBI database due to my job field, why would i need to pay to re-enroll in a system I'm already in?

Thanks for all that you are doing London808.