Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal) (Read 54853 times)

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #80 on: January 10, 2017, 08:48:09 AM »
If hawaii does that than all security guards that guard cash deposits etc would lose their guns.
As far as I know, all "security guards" that are armed with firerarms have open carry licenses, not concealed carry licenses. Not one single person in the state currently has a CCW license (currently waiting for the 2016 data that should be available in two weeks). So Hawaii could eliminate CCW and still arm the people "engaged in the protection of life and property" as they do now.

ren

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #81 on: January 10, 2017, 06:10:27 PM »
She may think the opposite from stuff I've heard.

she support tracer ammunition?
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TitaniumPatriot1982

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2017, 05:42:57 AM »

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2017, 09:01:45 AM »
I found this recently.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/national-reciprocity-bill-will-apply-non-resident-gun-carry-permits/

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To be honest, if she didn't know the laws, she shouldn't be carrying. 

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2017, 09:20:56 AM »
To be honest, if she didn't know the laws, she shouldn't be carrying.
That's what the police chiefs here say. AND, "If you do know the laws you shouldn't be carrying". AND, "Honestly, we don't care about the laws or your rights, if you carry you're a criminal".

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2017, 09:28:39 AM »
That's what the police chiefs here say. AND, "If you do know the laws you shouldn't be carrying". AND, "Honestly, we don't care about the laws or your rights, if you carry you're a criminal".

Well, before I travel anywhere with my gun, I read the states laws, airport rules, and even call the police and airline/airport just to clarify things (Nevada).  Just to make sure I don't end up like that lady in the article.  I'm sure she made no attempt to look up the states laws that she was traveling to.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2017, 09:40:19 AM »
Well, before I travel anywhere with my gun, I read the states laws, airport rules, and even call the police and airline/airport just to clarify things (Nevada).  Just to make sure I don't end up like that lady in the article.  I'm sure she made no attempt to look up the states laws that she was traveling to.

When was the last time you looked up traffic laws in several states because you were going to be driving through them? 

That's the point.  Gun laws between states should be uniform, consistent and based on national standards.  If a state decides to deviate, you then only have to learn a few deltas.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

TitaniumPatriot1982

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2017, 10:00:59 AM »
I've seen videos of lawmakers and lawyers testify that no one can know all the laws of each individual state (laws update and there's also interpretation to consider). Plus, I firmly believe states don't have the authority to add or take away from any of our first ten amendments; otherwise secede from the union.

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changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2017, 10:50:58 AM »
When was the last time you looked up traffic laws in several states because you were going to be driving through them? 

That's the point.  Gun laws between states should be uniform, consistent and based on national standards.  If a state decides to deviate, you then only have to learn a few deltas.
Last time i went to vegas. Needed to know if they had a cell phone law like we do...and they do.



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punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #89 on: January 12, 2017, 11:27:31 AM »
Last time i went to vegas. Needed to know if they had a cell phone law like we do...and they do.
What's the speed limit in a school zone in Nevada? Hospital zone? Residential neighborhood? You've likely driven there so you must know, because you wouldn't get behind the wheel of a deadly weapon without certainty of the laws regarding the operation of that vehicle..

The situation with Janeen Allen was that 1. she became a CCW licensee in Pennsylvania after she was robbed late at night when returning home from work. 2. She worked in New Jersey. She wasn't "traveling " to another state for a visit or vacation. 3. Therefore, if she chose to obey the laws of New Jersey, she wouldn't be able to have a firearm for self-defense when she returned to her home in Pennsylvania late at night after work. While she may not have known that she couldn't carry a firearm in her vehicle in New Jersey, she was opting for self-defense in case of the exact same situation when she was previously robbed upon returning to PA. You might say she inadvertently chose "12 over 6". People could argue, well she should have just gotten a job in PA instead of NJ, etc., but did you notice the condition of the economy? It was even worse than now in those years and I'm sure had she been able to get a job closer to her home in her home state she likely would have opted for that. (Similar to the anecdotal reports of people denied CCW licenses here when under perceived threat ask the denying cops "What else can I do?" and are told, apparently in all seriousness, "Move".)

Did she break the law? Yes. Should she have known what the law was? That would have been a good idea. Did she deserve (as a law-abiding citizen with no criminal history and single mother of two small children) to be put in jail for 40 days and threatened with felony prosecution? Only if you think the "letter of the law" must be adhered to and fully prosecuted in any and all circumstances without regard to extenuating circumstances. Anyone who thinks that and doesn't think Hillary Clinton should be imprisoned for life is a total hypocrite. Allen's was a victimless crime: not one single person was harmed or even threatened. Just like the people in New York who criminally load 8 rounds into their 10 round magazines thus violating the seven round maximum allowed by law. Anyone really believe that is a "crime"? Much less that it deserves costly prosecution and jail time? We're living in a world of idiots.

How about this: Who should be prosecuted and what should the sentence(s) be for illegally failing to provide Carol Bowne either her CCW license or a written denial within the period of time allowed by New Jersey law? They went over the deadline, even though she had a restraining order, and then was killed after she should have had her CCW by the person she had the TRO against. People in New Jersey government broke the law. Someone is dead, who may have survived had the bureaucrats in New Jersey followed the law. Not even a slap on the wrist...you know, like here with Kenoi and Kealoha. That's "justice"?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #90 on: January 12, 2017, 12:35:40 PM »
Last time i went to vegas. Needed to know if they had a cell phone law like we do...and they do.



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Good, but they have a variety of signs in Nevada telling drivers that using a phone while driving is not allowed, such as:





They don't post similar signs for gun carry laws when you cross the border or arrive at the airport.  If the laws were more uniform between states, they could post warnings for specific differences that wouldn't need to be billboard size!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #91 on: January 12, 2017, 12:45:48 PM »
I agree with all of you that there should be uniform laws, or laws that do not restrict our 2a rights.  But in the end, telling the police "I didn't know" is not an excuse.  She lost her job and had to spend 40 days in Jail.  Luckily Christy pardoned her.  So you can spend 1 hour reading what the laws are, or get a ticket/go to jail and lose your 2a rights if it's a felony conviction.

Seems like the prosecutor wanted to make an example out of her.  They could have easily chose not to file charges. 

There was a previous post that HPD cannot beheld liable if a CCW permit is denied and I am harmed.  Don't know if this law applies to NJ or not.

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #92 on: January 12, 2017, 01:04:11 PM »
I agree with all of you that there should be uniform laws, or laws that do not restrict our 2a rights.  But in the end, telling the police "I didn't know" is not an excuse.  She lost her job and had to spend 40 days in Jail.  Luckily Christy pardoned her.  So you can spend 1 hour reading what the laws are, or get a ticket/go to jail and lose your 2a rights if it's a felony conviction.

Seems like the prosecutor wanted to make an example out of her.  They could have easily chose not to file charges. 

There was a previous post that HPD cannot beheld liable if a CCW permit is denied and I am harmed.  Don't know if this law applies to NJ or not.
So what is your solution to her dilemma of working in NJ and then having to return home to PA late a night where she was a victim of a robbery previously?

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #93 on: January 12, 2017, 01:08:32 PM »
So what is your solution to her dilemma of working in NJ and then having to return home to PA late a night where she was a victim of a robbery previously?

No solution, only try and use her personal experience to her representatives.  But that's like talking to a wall just like here.  Or buy a "big dog". :shaka:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2017, 01:16:10 PM »
I agree with all of you that there should be uniform laws, or laws that do not restrict our 2a rights.  But in the end, telling the police "I didn't know" is not an excuse.  She lost her job and had to spend 40 days in Jail.  Luckily Christy pardoned her.  So you can spend 1 hour reading what the laws are, or get a ticket/go to jail and lose your 2a rights if it's a felony conviction.

Seems like the prosecutor wanted to make an example out of her.  They could have easily chose not to file charges. 

There was a previous post that HPD cannot beheld liable if a CCW permit is denied and I am harmed.  Don't know if this law applies to NJ or not.

There is no "just do this, and it prevents all problems" answer.  Case in point:

After Hurricane Sandy, utility workers and other professionals from all over volunteered to help repair the infrastructure in the areas most devastated.  A NC utility worker volunteered and drove to NJ.  A firearm was discovered in his truck, and he was arrested.  It took the Governor to dismiss the case.

At the time he was more concerned about helping people than doing research into gun laws.  Sometimes you get a call and just have to hit the road -- no time to thoroughly prepare or even think of what you should do.  You just go!

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/christie_says_hell_likely_pardon_gun-toting_out-of.html
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2017, 01:20:26 PM »
There is no "just do this, and it prevents all problems" answer.  Case in point:

After Hurricane Sandy, utility workers and other professionals from all over volunteered to help repair the infrastructure in the areas most devastated.  A NC utility worker volunteered and drove to NJ.  A firearm was discovered in his truck, and he was arrested.  It took the Governor to dismiss the case.

At the time he was more concerned about helping people than doing research into gun laws.  Sometimes you get a call and just have to hit the road -- no time to thoroughly prepare or even think of what you should do.  You just go!

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/christie_says_hell_likely_pardon_gun-toting_out-of.html

I wish he was our governor.  I hope he looks into changing NJ's laws.

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #96 on: January 14, 2017, 06:12:31 AM »
NRA Action (You have to compose your own email on this one):

Full article:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170113/national-concealed-carry-reciprocity-lies-and-the-lying-liars-who-tell-them

National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

Email Action (generic letter requires writing particular issue, e.g. "Support H.R. 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act.") :

http://nraila-letter.org/

RSN172

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #97 on: January 16, 2017, 09:15:54 PM »
This is absolutely great news and exactly what I was hoping would happen if Hudson's bill passes.  That would mean I get to CC immediately with my AZ, NV and UT non resident permits in all 50 states.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/national-reciprocity-bill-will-apply-non-resident-gun-carry-permits/
Happily living in Puna

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2017, 09:42:04 AM »
Just got off the phone with Gabbard's office in D.C. ((202) 225-4906). After a 90 second wait while the staffer went to find out, was told that re H.R. 38 "she hasn't made her mind up on that yet". I "suggested" that she support it. Then tried calling the "local representative" of her office here on the Big Island but only got the voice mail. Perhaps a few more people could call?  :shaka:

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2017, 09:59:14 AM »
Just got off the phone with Gabbard's office in D.C. ((202) 225-4906). After a 90 second wait while the staffer went to find out, was told that re H.R. 38 "she hasn't made her mind up on that yet". I "suggested" that she support it. Then tried calling the "local representative" of her office here on the Big Island but only got the voice mail. Perhaps a few more people could call?  :shaka:

Keep track of Rep. Scott Nishimoto's CCW proposal.  See previous post.