support your LGS as much as you can,

So when are the LGSs going to get in this fight?  There is a lot of money going out of state through one I know but little is done about them getting involved in this fight.

From what i was told from MPD is that any permit application after Dec. 5th your in rap back. But if you have a valid long gun permit u can still register until Dec. 31st without rapback. Once Jan 1st hits all registrations will be in rap back. Im ordering as much stripped lower receivers as i can to keep me busy till the rap back is resolved. So after Jan 1st only ammo and parts for me.

So when are the LGSs going to get in this fight?  There is a lot of money going out of state through one I know but little is done about them getting involved in this fight.

One local retailer here told me he has wanted to put notices and petitions on various 2A issues (including Kobujiri's "no issue" CCW policy) but fears reprisals by local officials (in various departments) who could easily make his business difficult if not impossible. Is that concern justified? I don't know, but with the way things seem to work around here, I wouldn't be surprised. 

From what i was told from MPD is that any permit application after Dec. 5th your in rap back. But if you have a valid long gun permit u can still register until Dec. 31st without rapback. Once Jan 1st hits all registrations will be in rap back. Im ordering as much stripped lower receivers as i can to keep me busy till the rap back is resolved. So after Jan 1st only ammo and parts for me.

I spoke to MPD on Thursday and was told : Any Firearms transaction from December 4th requires the signing of the waivers and paying of the fee or Transaction will be denied. MPD wont even accept applications without the Rapback form as they cant accept incomplete applications

One local retailer here told me he has wanted to put notices and petitions on various 2A issues (including Kobujiri's "no issue" CCW policy) but fears reprisals by local officials (in various departments) who could easily make his business difficult if not impossible. Is that concern justified? I don't know, but with the way things seem to work around here, I wouldn't be surprised. 

I feel, I may be wrong, that they sit too much on the sidelines.  I am not talking about the mom and pop shops.  The bigger ones need to get together with legal action or at least give anonymously to fight this stuff.   I see sideline sitting not wanting to get involved.

Black powder Renaissance?

That's good to hear. I have a VEPR coming in on Wednesday so heading to HPD after to register.

I wonder when the NRA is getting into this fight? I couldn't find much on the web.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161205/hawaii-firearms-permit-application-fee-increases-due-to-implementation-of-the-rap-back-system

That's good to hear. I have a VEPR coming in on Wednesday so heading to HPD after to register.

I wonder when the NRA is getting into this fight? I couldn't find much on the web.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161205/hawaii-firearms-permit-application-fee-increases-due-to-implementation-of-the-rap-back-system

When you go to register it you will be charged $42, Fingerprinted and photographed for insertion into rapback.

The City is so misguided in this. They should apply RapBack to our drinking and driving problem. There is no constitutional right to drink yet our courts treat it as if there is. Lenient sentences. No accountability. Judges saying that there is nothing to bring back the deceased, therefore, the light sentences.
How about anytime a person renews their drivers license be entered into a liquor buying database - to track when and where they buy alcohol. Or how about an alcohol tracking bracelet.
Here's a look at some DUI cases that resulted in deaths.
http://khon2.com/2016/09/10/man-arrested-for-negligent-homicide-dui-in-deadly-nanakuli-crash/

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/13034193/driver-in-deadly-dui-crash-tearfully-apologizes-begins-serving-18-month-sentence

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33919285/infant-toddler-hospitalized-following-waimanalo-pedestrian-crash

How many of us law abiding 2A citizens who lawfully register firearms commit crimes with them as compared to the above cases?

How many of us law abiding 2A citizens who lawfully register commit crimes with them as compared to the above cases?

You make the same mistake that I am consistently guilty of: believing that the legal system, law enforcement, legislators, prosecutors and judges are capable of, and should be, rational and logical. When it comes to "guns": not gonna happen.  Note additionally the extremely high incidence of ignorance and/or lying.

Had/have no choice. Ordered my pistol and wasn't able to cancel it. OGC has it now so I'll have to bite the bullet so to speak. Anyway, 21 years in the Navy with TS/SCI clearances and 28 years in DoD Civil Service with even higher clearances than I had in the Navy. Probably on every sort of database you can think of but will continue to buy guns and give the state and libertards the finger each time I go to the range....  

Not that many years of service as you (not even close really  ), but relative to database wise, I'm pretty much in the same boat.  I have friends who will ask "what do I have to hide"?  Well, nothing.  It's the principal of the matter. 

I will eventually buy guns again, but just not for a while.  Partially because of RapBack, but more because I had made purchases over the last year in anticipation of things.  Honestly, RapBack wasn't really one of them, at least not at the time. 

The City is so misguided in this. They should apply RapBack to our drinking and driving problem. There is no constitutional right to drink yet our courts treat it as if there is. Lenient sentences. No accountability. Judges saying that there is nothing to bring back the deceased, therefore, the light sentences.
How about anytime a person renews their drivers license be entered into a liquor buying database - to track when and where they buy alcohol. Or how about an alcohol tracking bracelet.
Here's a look at some DUI cases that resulted in deaths.
http://khon2.com/2016/09/10/man-arrested-for-negligent-homicide-dui-in-deadly-nanakuli-crash/

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/13034193/driver-in-deadly-dui-crash-tearfully-apologizes-begins-serving-18-month-sentence

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33919285/infant-toddler-hospitalized-following-waimanalo-pedestrian-crash

How many of us law abiding 2A citizens who lawfully register firearms commit crimes with them as compared to the above cases?

When you get arrested for drunk driving, jurisdictions will go and inform other jurisdictions that someone has been convicted and if their license was taken away. Not exactly like rap back but there is a nationwide system that alerts the DMV if a resident got in trouble somewhere else.

Does anyone remember the answer to whether the rap back would eliminate the waiting period for those who already own firearms?

When you get arrested for drunk driving, jurisdictions will go and inform other jurisdictions that someone has been convicted and if their license was taken away. Not exactly like rap back but there is a nationwide system that alerts the DMV if a resident got in trouble somewhere else.

does that system cost other innocent drivers money?

Does anyone remember the answer to whether the rap back would eliminate the waiting period for those who already own firearms?

once enrolled in rapback, there's no need for a new background check since its an ongoing check.
would make logical sense to do away with the waiting period and renewal of long gun permit bc they wont do another background check since you're in rapback.
but we're talking about HPD firearms division here.  logical sense does not apply.

Does anyone remember the answer to whether the rap back would eliminate the waiting period for those who already own firearms?

:Crickets:

Of course it won't happen. So far, these guys just make changes to further take away our rights, never give.

WTB, HANDGUN :

Not in the Classifieds section as i dont want to cause confusion.

I need to purchase a Handgun and will require a bill of sale and ( Serial number and such for a permit). You may have to keep hold of this handgun for a long ass time.

Must be the cheapest handgun on earth as i dont want to tie up any money i dont have to.

Why don't you just try to register a homemade firearm?

$10 from Home Depot

From what i was told from MPD is that any permit application after Dec. 5th your in rap back. But if you have a valid long gun permit u can still register until Dec. 31st without rapback. Once Jan 1st hits all registrations will be in rap back. Im ordering as much stripped lower receivers as i can to keep me busy till the rap back is resolved. So after Jan 1st only ammo and parts for me.

Ended up much the same. 

Why don't you just try to register a homemade firearm?
$10 from Home Depot

Needs to be a handgun, Needs to be registered with HPD,

Also, In Hawaii you cant make a gun without a permit, Doing so is a violation of HRS 134-2

No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner, whether procured in the State or imported by mail, express, freight, or otherwise, until the person has first procured from the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business