Umm
His screen name is "London" 808

It makes it funnier that he even typed in the name in his comment lol,

My apologies. 
I went to publik skool.
anyways 

Rapback can't be done retroactively, they don't have your finger prints (they are doet d after 30 days)

30 days after what?  "doet d"?

Last time I registered something, they did not ask to do prints again.  Either they were still on file or they no longer required them.  Was long gun related though.

Umm
His screen name is "London" 808


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London is in New Zealand, ain't it? ...   

FBI’S “RAP-BACK” PROGRAM from back in 2014 some interesting facts. The example they use is from a employment but point being is you have no say in the matter.
09/23/2014

 
That the government is obsessed with databases and data collection is not news. The FBI plans for its newest mega-database, Next Generation Identification, to be the largest collection of personal biometric information in the world. It will include information collected from everyday arrests, immigration and customs enforcement, the State Department, FBI and other special investigations, public sources (including photos and video from surveillance), possibly the military, and now, wherever local agencies and companies participate, from employers.

The NGI aims to move "beyond fingerprints" into the Brave New World of full spectrum biometrics. The database will include the following information on tens, possibly hundreds of millions of people:

electronic fingerprints
palm prints
photos (with face recognition technology)
iris scans
tattoos, scars and markings
voice
gait
names, associations, history of residence, employment, arrests, etc.

'Rap back': always watching

The FBI has run criminal background checks for state and local agencies, as well as employers, for some time now. But with NGI, the agency has a new plan: the "rap back" scheme. It will be voluntary — but the decision to participate will reside with the employer, not the employee. In other words, if your boss wants to sign up, tough luck.

Here's how it will work: the boss at a company or organization signs an agreement with the FBI to implement the "rap back" program. You'd like to work there, and submit to a background check to do so. Your fingerprints are taken before you get your job, a routine part of the criminal background check, your almost-boss tells you. The fingerprints are then sent to the FBI, whereupon the agency makes a determination about your criminal history, and informs your almost-boss about whether or not you are likely to be a good hire.

That was all old news. Here's the kicker: under the new plan, the FBI will retain your fingerprints, even if you've never committed a crime, so that if you are arrested or get into any trouble, the agency can inform your boss of your arrest. Behind your back.

Nice jobs program, huh? Read more about NGI.

UPDATE: EPIC has posted FBI documents about the rap-back program.

PRACTICE PRIVACY

The FBI already has much of this data themselves, or they have access to the data simply by asking for it from state or municipal agencies. The thing rap back does is puts it all in a central database and shares it. If the FBI wanted to see information on Hawaii gun owners they can just ask HPD for it and they would get it. The information is not all that new, only the ease of access. People in Hawaii are already in a database. Just now HPD will get notified if we get convicted of a crime elsewhere rather than having to find it by random or through your next permit to purchase.

The FBI already has much of this data themselves, or they have access to the data simply by asking for it from state or municipal agencies. The thing rap back does is puts it all in a central database and shares it. If the FBI wanted to see information on Hawaii gun owners they can just ask HPD for it and they would get it. The information is not all that new, only the ease of access. People in Hawaii are already in a database. Just now HPD will get notified if we get convicted of a crime elsewhere rather than having to find it by random or through your next permit to purchase.

isn't that what NICS is for?

isn't that what NICS is for?

It doesn't provide automatic notification. Someone would have to do a search to find it if I understand correctly. HPD doesn't have the time or money to regularly run NCIC checks on the hundreds of thousands of gun owners on this island.

I think all elected officials should be entered into the system before gun owners.

How's about only convicted criminals be entered in a criminal data base.   Or maybe the assumption of this state is that everyone is a criminal, they just haven't been caught yet.

30 days after what?  "doet d"?

Last time I registered something, they did not ask to do prints again.  Either they were still on file or they no longer required them.  Was long gun related though.

Deleted sorry,

According to MAUI PD, only the first BG ch ck is a full FBI check with finger prints, after 30days the finger prints expire and are deleted from the system, any time you do a permit after that it's a NICS (name and social) check. The thumb print was for verification so if something came up at a latter date they could look at your permit and thumb print to prove it was you who registered the gun.

Rapback saves your prints forever and even after you die are archived.

The waiver allows them to save them (any one in DOD, government, immigrate etc....) . they already have your prints

How's about only convicted criminals be entered in a criminal data base.   Or maybe the assumption of this state is that everyone is a criminal, they just haven't been caught yet.

bINGO,

There assumption is all gun owners must be willing to commit crimes and as such must be monitored

The British are coming, again.

The British are coming, again.

English.... there is a difference

The waiver allows them to save them (any one in DOD, government, immigrate etc....) . they already have your prints

Yeah, after a career that had me holding classified clearances up to TS, figured I am well documented already, so printing me by HPD back when was superfluous.

Yeah, after a career that had me holding classified clearances up to TS, figured I am well documented already, so printing me by HPD back when was superfluous.

The point of this whole deal is not that.  The point is they are registering you just for the fact you are a gun owner. 

Had/have no choice. Ordered my pistol and wasn't able to cancel it. OGC has it now so I'll have to bite the bullet so to speak. Anyway, 21 years in the Navy with TS/SCI clearances and 28 years in DoD Civil Service with even higher clearances than I had in the Navy. Probably on every sort of database you can think of but will continue to buy guns and give the state and libertards the finger each time I go to the range....  

English.... there is a difference

Like hayn, samoan, and tongan hahahha.

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The point of this whole deal is not that.  The point is they are registering you just for the fact you are a gun owner.

Agree.... to stop buying guns because of this fiasco means the anti gun libertards win.... keep buying, support your LGS as much as you can, hope the new admin will call Rap Back for what it is (BS), say no way and not let the Federal Bureau of Idiots participate and the state get their asses sued off. Know it's alot to hope for but until we vote these idiots out of state/city and county, change will come very slow. 

I'm not buying any more. There's some I'd like but the next step is they chip you like a golden retriever so I'm getting off the train here. If the shops want my business they can do a better job organizing and getting politically active. If NRA wants my support they will fight this thing. At some point participating in these schemes means doing my part to undermine the second amendment.

Agree.... to stop buying guns because of this fiasco means the anti gun libertards win.... keep buying, support your LGS as much as you can, hope the new admin will call Rap Back for what it is (BS), say no way and not let the Federal Bureau of Idiots participate and the state get their asses sued off. Know it's alot to hope for but until we vote these idiots out of state/city and county, change will come very slow. 

My understanding is, That even if i can get rapback kicked out, Those who enrolled in it signed a waiver giving up those rights. If you are in, I dont know if i can get you out.

You still need a permit to purchase black powder firearms, You are not required to register them tho.

You may need a permit to purchase within the state, but you can certainly transport black powder firearms that you legally own on the mainland back here. I mean, sure, it's a hassle, but it is a way to legally avoid enrollment in rap back while continuing to make purchases.