Who is the RAPBACK subscriber for the coaching job?  DOE? 

For firearm registrations, it's HPD.  WHO is being notified could make all the difference between simply losing a job and having all your guns confiscated.

Worse then that, The tag for work would be employment, the tag for guns would be firearms, Its makes it a federally controlled firearms database.

Who is the RAPBACK subscriber for the coaching job?  DOE? 

For firearm registrations, it's HPD.  WHO is being notified could make all the difference between simply losing a job and having all your guns confiscated.

That was my understanding of the case of RapBack for firearms. Who gets notified and for what reason. It depends on the organization, office, etc that requests info. To the Hawaii justice-whatever gets notified of people they request info for if something that they define as a flag, say ANY arrest, and pertaining to you being a firearm owner.

As part of my work, I have gone through FBI and other background checks. It is my understanding that they would get notified of certain things, but not necessarily arrests. That is one (of the many) messed up things about how RapBack is being implemented in Hawaii.


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Who is the RAPBACK subscriber for the coaching job?  DOE? 

No it is not DOE. I do coach high school players but not during their official school sanctioned season. The one organization that I was concerned about was a "club" league.

No it is not DOE. I do coach high school players but not during their official school sanctioned season. The one organization that I was concerned about was a "club" league.

There is a very paticular list of who has access to rapback, they may be able to do an FBI big check but it's unlikely you would be in rapback for them

There is a very paticular list of who has access to rapback, they may be able to do an FBI big check but it's unlikely you would be in rapback for them

I thought any organization can (1) register you and (2) subscribe to receive notifications if they are willing to pay both fees.  LE and other state agencies can subscribe for notices and not be charged the subscription fee.

Maybe non-state agencies have to subscribe directly to the FBI, whereas only the state is allowed to subscribe via the CJDC?

Well I have avoided purchasing a couple of "wants" because of  Rap Back. I'm not going to voluntarily put myself on that list. On the other hand, if I was put on that list because of my coaching duties, why shouldn't I buy what I want.

I don't like it either but I decided to go ahead and buy a gun anyway. Supposedly some form lists a way of opting out after you are entered and I figure once in I can read whatever forms or documents I am given and confirm or deny that rumor. But aside from that, I am already "in the system." The only thing rap back does is it automatically shares the information they already have on me anyway, I am not going to stop because of this law and I will support my local gun shops.

I don't like it either but I decided to go ahead and buy a gun anyway. Supposedly some form lists a way of opting out after you are entered and I figure once in I can read whatever forms or documents I am given and confirm or deny that rumor. But aside from that, I am already "in the system." The only thing rap back does is it automatically shares the information they already have on me anyway, I am not going to stop because of this law and I will support my local gun shops.

I have already linked the forms, there is no opt out option on them. It does not share information they already have on you. It enters you into a whole new federally controlled and managed. Not to mention the database thats created with the HCJDC, one stroke of the pen and all that data could become public.

Its not a matter of stopping its a matter of fighting it. Giving up your 4th and 5th amendment to have your 2ndis just as bad as giving up your 2nd to keep your 4th and 5th.  Now if some one didnet own any guns and needed one for home defnece i would be sure you got to do what you got to do. But signing over your rights to own toys....... Shame.

I am already "in the system."

Imagine that...............

Imagine that...............

I thought we were all law abiding gun owners here.All my guns are registered.... well the ones I am required to register.

I have already linked the forms, there is no opt out option on them. It does not share information they already have on you. It enters you into a whole new federally controlled and managed. Not to mention the database thats created with the HCJDC, one stroke of the pen and all that data could become public.

Its not a matter of stopping its a matter of fighting it. Giving up your 4th and 5th amendment to have your 2ndis just as bad as giving up your 2nd to keep your 4th and 5th.  Now if some one didnet own any guns and needed one for home defnece i would be sure you got to do what you got to do. But signing over your rights to own toys....... Shame.

We already had the conversation about the forms, like I said I am going to see if there are any additional forms, federal ones for example, that you get after.

Yes, I understand it is a different database but my point is that I am already in HPD's firearm registry and once you are in one registry your information is already there for the government to access. If the feds decided they wanted to know if I had guns they could just call HPD and ask. Rap back just makes information sharing easier and quicker. 

You hold out, I respect that, but I have thought it over for some time and I am going to go ahead and buy a new gun anyway. I will keep the gun stores open till you win your lawsuit

We already had the conversation about the forms, like I said I am going to see if there are any additional forms, federal ones for example, that you get after.

Yes, I understand it is a different database but my point is that I am already in HPD's firearm registry and once you are in one registry your information is already there for the government to access. If the feds decided they wanted to know if I had guns they could just call HPD and ask. Rap back just makes information sharing easier and quicker. 

You hold out, I respect that, but I have thought it over for some time and I am going to go ahead and buy a new gun anyway. I will keep the gun stores open till you win your lawsuit

And therein lies the entire argument against RAPBACK.  Instead of a system that requires a need for government to run a check on you, now they have an automated reporting system that PUSHES the information so you are flagged.

Until you understand the difference between a background check and being monitored 24/7, you'll never get why RAPBACK is bad for individual rights.

And therein lies the entire argument against RAPBACK.  Instead of a system that requires a need for government to run a check on you, now they have an automated reporting system that PUSHES the information so you are flagged.

Until you understand the difference between a background check and being monitored 24/7, you'll never get why RAPBACK is bad for individual rights.

That. . .

Plus guilty until proven innocent, at least based on what I've heard how your firearms permit would be rescinded and firearms have to be turned in based on an ARREST only.  That and I thought it was ruled unconstitutional to have to register to exercise a right.

Wrong on so many levels.  Not to mention this legislation being pushed through when there was overwhelming opposition vs support, at least based on what I was told.  Are the legislators representing their people?  Or their own personal beliefs? 

Wish someone could push legislation that would require changes to pay for legislators, both at the state and national level, to have to pass a public vote of say 2/3. 

Are the legislators representing their people?  Or their own personal beliefs? 

Wish someone could push legislation that would require changes to pay for legislators, both at the state and national level, to have to pass a public vote of say 2/3.

Hawaii is the only state in the United States that has neither initiative, nor referendum, nor recall options for citizens to express their dissatisfaction with the legislators and the legislative process controlled by them. There are also no term limits. There is zero chance that the Hawaii "progressive" legislators will ever enact any of those provisions, as it relinquishes power to the people, and out of their total control. And "the people" having more say in what happens in this state is anathema to their agenda.

Hawaii is the only state in the United States that has neither initiative, nor referendum, nor recall options for citizens to express their dissatisfaction with the legislators and the legislative process controlled by them. There are also no term limits. There is zero chance that the Hawaii "progressive" legislators will ever enact any of those provisions, as it relinquishes power to the people, and out of their total control. And "the people" having more say in what happens in this state is anathema to their agenda.

Was a rhetorical question, but thank you for your thoughtful response.


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Was a rhetorical question, but thank you for your thoughtful response.

I suspect/hope that occasionally someone unfamiliar with the level of tyranny in Hawaii may be reading these threads... A comment I often hear when discussing Hawaii's Second Amendment infringements with non-residents is "I didn't know it was THAT bad".

If y'all hate it so much here just move out. Every single last one of us knows that Hawaii is a lost cause. You are a tiny blip of red in a sea of blue. Move to a red state and vote to keep it even more red. It's hard moving for damn sure, but after seeing this rap back horse shit and having to get permission from the to practice my 2a my wife and I decided to move. It doesn't matter how good of a job I have, sacrificing my rights isn't worth it. It's stressful moving when my wife is due two months after we get to TX but I'll be damned if I raise our daughter in a blue state.

The NRA does not care about Hawaii. The 9th circuit ruled based upon emotion and politics.

Some people here spout about x law getting to the supreme Court and that's everything's going to be okay because they said x law was wrong. Doesn't mean anything. The anti gun populace here will continue to elect politicians who will continue to undermine the 2a in whatever sneaky and insidious ways they can.

If takes years for a case to get to the supreme Court. This state can get a law struck down after a 6 year battle, and enact similar legislation, and whole that may also be struck down its the law of the land until then and the legislators know that. And they'll keep doing it.

Long story short, leave and go to a state where your voice will be heard and count. Vote to keep red states red. Hawaii is a lost cause.

A little bit of temporary sacrifice goes a long way towards happiness elsewhere

It's a culture war and Hawaii doesn't have the culture to fight the anti 2a agenda. It just doesn't.

And therein lies the entire argument against RAPBACK.  Instead of a system that requires a need for government to run a check on you, now they have an automated reporting system that PUSHES the information so you are flagged.

Until you understand the difference between a background check and being monitored 24/7, you'll never get why RAPBACK is bad for individual rights.

I completely understand the difference and I never said it was good for individual rights, I just said I have decided that it isn't going to stop me from purchasing a firearm.

If y'all hate it so much here just move out. Every single last one of us knows that Hawaii is a lost cause. You are a tiny blip of red in a sea of blue. Move to a red state and vote to keep it even more red. It's hard moving for damn sure, but after seeing this rap back horse shit and having to get permission from the to practice my 2a my wife and I decided to move. It doesn't matter how good of a job I have, sacrificing my rights isn't worth it. It's stressful moving when my wife is due two months after we get to TX but I'll be damned if I raise our daughter in a blue state.

The NRA does not care about Hawaii. The 9th circuit ruled based upon emotion and politics.

Some people here spout about x law getting to the supreme Court and that's everything's going to be okay because they said x law was wrong. Doesn't mean anything. The anti gun populace here will continue to elect politicians who will continue to undermine the 2a in whatever sneaky and insidious ways they can.

If takes years for a case to get to the supreme Court. This state can get a law struck down after a 6 year battle, and enact similar legislation, and whole that may also be struck down its the law of the land until then and the legislators know that. And they'll keep doing it.

Long story short, leave and go to a state where your voice will be heard and count. Vote to keep red states red. Hawaii is a lost cause.


A little bit of temporary sacrifice goes a long way towards happiness elsewhere

Everyone has a different story.  Moving is not a option for me.  I will probably drown in the sea of blue but this is the direction my life will take.

Was told by a lawyer if you are in say tsa precheck or global entry your are in rap back and a lot of people are in it and don't even realize it.