i made it down to the range today ... the  22 side   and was suprised to see

the  rifle side roof sections  are still missing
The bathrooms on the firing lines are out of order
and of course the general disrepair  that we have become used to
after all those closures

why is it that 2a can get close to 3000 views about who is the grumpiest gunshop owner
but we cant unite to get "Our"  range fixed
before "they " take it away

the general apathy of the  recreational shooter can be summed up by my experience on the 22 side today
everybodys shoots the targets (or attempts to)  but very few go set the targets up

that being said
 what is the course of action of the "Few"
 petitions
calls
emails
letters

i am all for ccw but .... the range should be first priorty  how will we justify training and competence.


 

i made it down to the range today ... the  22 side   and was suprised to see

the  rifle side roof sections  are still missing
The bathrooms on the firing lines are out of order
and of course the general disrepair  that we have become used to
after all those closures

why is it that 2a can get close to 3000 views about who is the grumpiest gunshop owner
but we cant unite to get "Our"  range fixed
before "they " take it away

the general apathy of the  recreational shooter can be summed up by my experience on the 22 side today
everybodys shoots the targets (or attempts to)  but very few go set the targets up

that being said
 what is the course of action of the "Few"
 petitions
calls
emails
letters

i am all for ccw but .... the range should be first priorty  how will we justify training and competence.

What exactly have you done to rectify the situation?

that being said
 what is the course of action of the "Few"
 petitions
calls
emails
letters

.

well  your highness i was asking how to help

I've sent in testimony for every city & county hearing on either the proposed range at Kaleolea, or KHSC every time I've heard that one or the other was on the agenda.  Other than that, there's not much a guy can do; I'm not a citizen of this state, so I can't vote for council members or state legislators.  I pay my dues for the HDF and do whatever else I can.  And I never go downrange to set up the targets on the sillhouette side; I'm far too lazy for that, so I only shoot at the steels that are fixed and don't fall down.   

You just miss the meeting about the range. That's one way. There's also another thread on here that lists all the representatives which you can write to. You can find that one by searching

why is it that 2a can get close to 3000 views about who is the grumpiest gunshop owner
but we cant unite to get "Our"  range fixed
before "they " take it away

Probably not the best way to influence those on the board. These are the people that have been doing the e-mails, petitions, letters and the like about the condition of the range.

The best way to help, be active in all of the above, join HDF and/or HRA and be active in them.

Quote from: ghost_medic on January 15, 2012, 02:51:09 PM

that being said
 what is the course of action of the "Few"
 petitions
calls
emails
letters

.

well  your highness i was asking how to help

I, as well as many people here have been taking steps to make things better.

Maybe a less condescending approach with your first post here would get you better responses, instead of leading face first, eyes closed.

Maybe instead of starting a new thread asking an old question you can do a search and find out that we have in fact already been doing something:

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2487.msg22328#msg22328

I was present giving testimony at the "Fix the range" meeting.  We always need more help -  I have a very long list of about 6 volunteers that have offered to help so far.

now that i have poked the  beehive

lets clear things up

if you are reading this post that is in the "LEGAL" section you are probably part of the solution
no need for a circular firing squad
 i   understand individual communication  to reps and  council members, but it seems time for a united approach
a formal letter voicing the concerns of hawaiis shooting community with hundreds if  not thousands of signatures.
then deliver this to every member of every department that has influence over the range and range operations

this will take alot of legwork and research but  thats what the legal\activism section is for







 

Wouldn't it be neat if we had some toilet and roofing vigilantes who decided to fix things up in the middle of the night while nobody was looking? Alright that was a stupid thought but perhaps some of the problems with the facilities are easy to addressed with little effort, time and money.

Wouldn't it be neat if we had some toilet and roofing vigilantes who decided to fix things up in the middle of the night while nobody was looking? Alright that was a stupid thought but perhaps some of the problems with the facilities are easy to addressed with little effort, time and money.

I offered this suggestion up in the other thread and got little or no response.

I am in agreement with the previous poster that we probably need to start getting organized as a group and start actually becoming activists ourselves. We will get more done and have more strength for what we want in my opinion.

Quote from: Mr. Farknkocker on January 15, 2012, 07:27:58 PM

Wouldn't it be neat if we had some toilet and roofing vigilantes who decided to fix things up in the middle of the night while nobody was looking? Alright that was a stupid thought but perhaps some of the problems with the facilities are easy to addressed with little effort, time and money.

I offered this suggestion up in the other thread and got little or no response.

I am in agreement with the previous poster that we probably need to start getting organized as a group and start actually becoming activists ourselves. We will get more done and have more strength for what we want in my opinion.

As I said in the other thread. I am willing to volunteer man hours and my tools to any repair project that is done.

You first have to wrangle with the C&C lawyers about the Liability BS.  Some poor contractor is going to have to put up his license for a $2M bond.
and if someone went there and just fixed the roof (like Santa) the city would probably shut the place down and condemn the place. Same like they do
when you build an extention on your house illegally.

The best thing we can do is keep on pushing our delegates. Tom Berg and Ken Ito.

I was involed with trying to revitalizing the race track HRP and it was a nightmare.
Now us racers and performance parts store owners have nothing.....

and deal with the unions?  that's how it goes I guess.  well, please do add me to the grassroots occupy errr, fix the range movement if it does get going.

It's Deja vu...

This is exactly like the last "fix the range" thread ended.

Many people willing to Lend a hand to do the fixes but people scared that the same union guys picketing in front of Walgreens would picket the range.

It's Deja vu...

This is exactly like the last "fix the range" thread ended.

Many people willing to Lend a hand to do the fixes but people scared that the same union guys picketing in front of Walgreens would picket the range.

pretty much ...... I see this ending like any other never "gonna happen  situaton" in hawaii like fire works .. soon the range will be de- funded by the vocal- minority.
anti- gun people are wiling to sacrifice time and effort...

I asked the R.O. One day, "What if I just come here on a day when the range is closed and fix this roof myself."

He said, "you'd probably get arrested."

A friend told me about a similar situation involving a group of parents who wanted to volunteer their time and money to fix the cement slab of a public school drinking fountain. The area was in disrepair for a very long time. It was a very small project however the school turned them down due to concerns over liability and a possible union greivence.

Unless the city council or the mayor can help us, we will probably not see any action to repair the roof soon. I hope this does not happen.   

A friend told me about a similar situation involving a group of parents who wanted to volunteer their time and money to fix the cement slab of a public school drinking fountain. The area was in disrepair for a very long time. It was a very small project however the school turned them down due to concerns over liability and a possible union greivence.

Unless the city council or the mayor can help us, we will probably not see any action to repair the roof soon. I hope this does not happen.

I have a hard time believing that unions would block the citizenry from improving public works.  Unions are teh backbone of America!