My next reload adventure/misadventure (Read 127667 times)

rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #180 on: January 16, 2018, 09:42:04 AM »
why did you go from shooting 20-round groups to 5-round groups?  i thought you said that you believed 20-round groups to be superior.  your choice to switch seems a little arbitrary.
I decided to go with 10x10 groups for the AR rifles where I repeat the five loads to see if I can reproduce the results. That's why in the spreadsheet, you see two numbers with the first 5x10 and then the repeat 5x10. However, I suspect that scope issues have compounded the recent results. I only shoot 5-round groups with the larger rifles, most recently with the cast boolits.
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Inspector

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #181 on: January 16, 2018, 09:56:05 AM »
The problem with this forum is that there isn't enough talk about firearms. I appreciate the political discussion but how often do people actually talk about going to the range or tournament or whatever related to actually firing a weapon? Not enough in my opinion.
I happen to agree with you on this. So I have had a pet project I have put on hold that I am going to get started on in the next week or two. Testing .22LR ammo in my rifle. I will share all of my results with everyone. Though I doubt anyone is really interested in results of .22LR ammo testing.
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rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #182 on: January 16, 2018, 10:21:58 AM »
RK--
You are presenting a lot of information in this thread.
Way more than I, or most people here can ingest. I think you should have a completely separate website for all this.
I think there may be a lot of people outside of this venue that would find it useful.
Thanks OF. Sorry I wasn't able to meet up with you at the range but was short on time.

To be honest, I'm weary of the purists like TFP.


I happen to agree with you on this. So I have had a pet project I have put on hold that I am going to get started on in the next week or two. Testing .22LR ammo in my rifle. I will share all of my results with everyone. Though I doubt anyone is really interested in results of .22LR ammo testing.
Thanks Dave, will these be reloaded .22 ammo? I've done some velocity testing with Blazer .22 in my 1911-22. With my crappy pistol, functionality is more important than accuracy. Blazer and CCI work well but not Federal so much. I'm still working through the Blazer brick I bought at the Gun Show last spring.

bullet/powder gr   FPS           SD   #
Blazer 22LR      1068   22   5
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Inspector

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #183 on: January 16, 2018, 10:55:48 AM »
Thanks Dave, will these be reloaded .22 ammo? I've done some velocity testing with Blazer .22 in my 1911-22. With my crappy pistol, functionality is more important than accuracy. Blazer and CCI work well but not Federal so much. I'm still working through the Blazer brick I bought at the Gun Show last spring.

bullet/powder gr   FPS           SD   #
Blazer 22LR      1068   22   5
To be honest I probably will never attempt to reload a .22 cartridge. Though I did post about a kit on the forum here that is made just for casting a .22 boolit and a seating die along with some load data and instructions for making and applying the primer in a used cartridge. I had a line on 1k brand new cases already primed. And the guy backed out on selling them to me. I would have attempted doing serious reloading of a .22LR cartridge if I was able to buy those. Reloading a .22LR cartridge is a project on my list but at the bottom of my list so I will probably never get around to it. I am not sure if I am going to attempt to do any .22LR pistol testing though I could give it the old college try. Only thing s my pistol is old and designed for Standard Velocity (SV) ammo only. So I won't be able to test High Velocity or Hyper Velocity ammo. I am still trying to figure out how to organize my results so they make sense.
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Bushido

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #184 on: January 16, 2018, 11:37:16 AM »
Thanks Bushido. My goal is to figure out which load worked best that day with that powder and that bullet, then decide where to "adventure" next. I use the max and mean to help me decide. When I'm not reloading, I'm usually reviewing my past results or watching reloading porn on YT.

I admit that most of the flyers are my fault, probably because I pulled. I try to be consistent with each load. Sometimes the load is just crap with crap velocity SD. Like someone said (may have been you), all of this has already been published in various books and websites. It's the discovery I'm looking for.

I will say that if shooting 100y, you will see that the load with the best SD doesn't always match the load with the best group. I have seen this many times. 100y is just too short for SD to make a huge difference IME. It is something to look at but don't put too much weight on it for 100y. If you do also shoot long range then I can see looking for better SD, ES and bullets with higher BCs.

Also are you taking into account barrel temp and rounds "cooking" in your AR chamber? It seems you Shoot a high round count for load workup. I'm guessing by the time you shoot your last load, the barrel and chamber temp is nowhere near from your first group. It could give you erroneous data.

I apologize if this was already mentioned. Like I said I don't really follow this thread or the forum in general on a regular basis.


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rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #185 on: January 16, 2018, 12:20:13 PM »
I will say that if shooting 100y, you will see that the load with the best SD doesn't always match the load with the best group. I have seen this many times. 100y is just too short for SD to make a huge difference IME. It is something to look at but don't put too much weight on it for 100y. If you do also shoot long range then I can see looking for better SD, ES and bullets with higher BCs.
Also are you taking into account barrel temp and rounds "cooking" in your AR chamber? It seems you Shoot a high round count for load workup. I'm guessing by the time you shoot your last load, the barrel and chamber temp is nowhere near from your first group. It could give you erroneous data.
I apologize if this was already mentioned. Like I said I don't really follow this thread or the forum in general on a regular basis.
In the past, I found accuracy increases with the hotter 5.56 barrel. However lately, it's been more random, and I'm sending in my scope for Vortex to look at. First I have to find the original box.

My friend, Larry uses a meat thermometer to measure the temp and has been doing testing to see at what temperature each rifle shoots the best groups. Another variable to consider. I played around with a small air pump through the barrel between groups but didn't work well. Need something with a higher velocity like a Chamber Chiller. https://www.chamberchiller.com/
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Heavies

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #186 on: January 16, 2018, 12:33:20 PM »
:facepalm:

Inspector

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #187 on: January 16, 2018, 12:40:43 PM »
I will say that if shooting 100y, you will see that the load with the best SD doesn't always match the load with the best group. I have seen this many times. 100y is just too short for SD to make a huge difference IME. It is something to look at but don't put too much weight on it for 100y. If you do also shoot long range then I can see looking for better SD, ES and bullets with higher BCs.

Also are you taking into account barrel temp and rounds "cooking" in your AR chamber? It seems you Shoot a high round count for load workup. I'm guessing by the time you shoot your last load, the barrel and chamber temp is nowhere near from your first group. It could give you erroneous data.

I apologize if this was already mentioned. Like I said I don't really follow this thread or the forum in general on a regular basis.


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The professional testers wait 20 minutes between shots on average when testing a rifle utilizing a real rifle cartridge (not a .22LR). Less if it is a cold day. But especially on warmer days, I have read that 20 minutes between shots is the norm.
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ren

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #188 on: January 16, 2018, 01:38:05 PM »
You should consider getting a strain gauge and a benchrest/rail rifle if you are pursuing whatever you are pursuing. It will cut down on some questionable variables.
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rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #189 on: January 16, 2018, 01:52:57 PM »
Had to look it up.
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rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #190 on: January 20, 2018, 08:41:36 PM »
It was a wet, misty day at the range. The forecaster said there was a 20% chance of rain today and 60% chance tomorrow. Perhaps they are mixed up because the weather was a shithole. Reminds me of the only weather joke I know. What does it mean when they say 50% chance of rain? It means they asked all of the forecasters in the city if it will rain and half said it would. Badda-bing! What’s weird is the radar shows the high clouds heading east and the rain clouds heading west. Enough about the weather. No chrono today because it was left on, the battery died, and I forgot to include the spares in the kit. It would have been nice to verify the SD for the Superformance and H4198. I need to get in the habit of disconnecting the battery when I put it away.

6.5 Creedmoor: Continuation from the previous load test. Started with 42gr Superformance with the Nosler 140gr RDF that worked well last time. I shot 10 before and 10 after the load test. The first group was tighter but I was adjusting the scope, so not really comparable. The group below is the second group and looks sexier. The targets are a card stock but still got a bit wrinkled in the mist.



I was chasing the target with my scope but managed one good group (39.2gr) with the 38.6 to 39.4 gr IMR4350 and Nosler 140gr RDF (5*10). The first two groups had 2 out of 10 “flyers” to the upper right by about 2”. The third group was weird with 2 about 1.25” to the left so I adjusted 5 clicks to the right, and the next two shots went 1.5” to the right. I shoulda left it alone. I split the difference and ended up in the middle. I checked the scope’s manual which said ¼” for each click. Maybe not so. The fourth group worked great. The break was called halfway through the fifth group which was going great. At the beginning of the next round, 4 of the 5 shots went just outside the target circle, of course. Despite the screw ups, I was pleased with the results but worth another try, preferably not in the wind and rain and with the chrono. The 39.2gr is on the left and 39.4gr on the right.



AK: Tried out the new bottle of H4198 I bought for the MN but turns out also works with the AK, AR, and 300BLK. I started with comparing the Hornady V-max .310” with the Nosler 123gr .310” bullet with 21.0gr Reloader 7. Both bullets are FB tipped and similar styles. The Nosler has a slightly bigger ballistic coefficient of 0.304 compared to the Hornady’s 0.295. I was having trouble keeping track of the hits because I didn’t have more targets, so I haven’t decided which is better.

Another factor I was testing is the condition of the ejected brass. As you may recall from previous episodes, I removed part of the dust cover to keep the case from colliding and denting. However, it was hitting the steel charging handle causing gouges in half of the cases. I added a short rubber hose and dremeled the sharp edges which reduces the gouges significantly. I’ll try smoothing the edges more. This was the fifth time I shot these cases and the AK is hard on the brass so decided it's time to switch to newer cases.

I think the H4198 works well with this rifle. The 25.5gr grouped best so will try 25.2 to 26.0 gr next time. I was having an issue with seating the bullets. I started noticing that the neck was shaving a thin strip of the copper off about a quarter of the bullets. I tried using the expander die but the powder was in the way and I wasn't interested in transferring the powder to expand the neck. I did expand the necks for the RL7 rounds before adding the powder and had no issues. I wonder if it's because the cases were getting worn out. I'll see if it continues with the newer cases next time. Update: I was seating bullets for the 300BLK and discovered the same phenomenon. Apparently, I have become lackadaisical with chamfering the neck which has been catching the edge of the boattail.

I have less than 300 of the Hornady bullets left and then will switch over to the Noslers. The 25.0gr is on the left and 25.5gr on the right.



The 1911-22 was working great today and killed the rubber gopher several times. Maybe I’ll get around to cleaning the pistol but seems to work better when it’s dirty and neglected. However, the Blazer LR ammo was a shithole today. About 1 out of 5 was a misfire. Each time, I had to pull the rimfire round out with my screwdriver and fire it again in the mag. One failed to fire twice so I put it in the dud can. It’s never been this bad before, so I wonder if the weather was having an effect on the .22 rounds.

I think I’m getting the hang of the ultrasonic cleaner. I’m trying the Hornady case solution but was causing oxidation on the brass. I figured out that I need to soak the cases afterwards in clean water instead of just rinsing to get all of the solution off. I’m trying to decide which works better, the case solution or Lemishine powder/dish soap. I tried vinegar and lemon juice before but decided against it.


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ren

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #191 on: January 20, 2018, 10:57:37 PM »
You're not going to get any good groups if you are chasing shots with your scope. I'd guess that your position is not consistent.
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rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #192 on: January 21, 2018, 06:21:27 AM »
Probably. Perhaps I'll try switching back to the Rock Jr stand and the rear bag.
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Bushido

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #193 on: January 21, 2018, 09:14:44 AM »
RK, It appears you are only shooting for groups and not score. If so you may want to dial your scope so your point of impact is off of your point of aim. You will have a more consistent POA if not shooting it out.

rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #194 on: January 21, 2018, 11:01:10 AM »
Agreed. Like I said, I shoulda just left it alone.
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rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #195 on: January 21, 2018, 11:39:34 PM »
Finally broke my impact bullet puller.
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Inspector

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #196 on: January 22, 2018, 05:22:08 AM »
Finally broke my impact bullet puller.
I had my first Kinetic Bullet Puller for almost 35 years. How old is yours? It takes a lot of bullet pulling to break one.  :rofl: :rofl:  :rofl:

Couldn't resist!  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
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macsak

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #197 on: January 22, 2018, 07:17:21 AM »
I had my first Kinetic Bullet Puller for almost 35 years. How old is yours? It takes a lot of bullet pulling to break one.  :rofl: :rofl:  :rofl:

Couldn't resist!  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:

we've made an estimated 25-30,000 rounds in the last 4 years and haven't even come close to breaking our bullet puller

Inspector

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #198 on: January 22, 2018, 07:34:54 AM »
we've made an estimated 25-30,000 rounds in the last 4 years and haven't even come close to breaking our bullet puller
Funny thing is my first one was cracked for over 5 years before it finally broke. My new one (~5 years old now) is still in great shape. Though I have to admit I don't use it very often.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ren

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #199 on: January 22, 2018, 08:10:53 AM »
That's interesting.
When I first bought an impact bullet puller in 1999 I thought "What?! This PLASTIC thing? This will not last."
I still use it today, hasn't flinched or chipped. I don't know what plastic they use but it is strong
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