Those are good guns, affordable, modular, and made in America.  I think it's a good choice.

Second favorite striker fired pistol.  I am highly intrigued by the new Sig P320 X5 and will see about acquiring one.  Of course the P210 is another huge interest.

Not my first choice but definitely preferable over the Beretta

Cost 50% more than glocks. Someone is getting some on the side.

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Cost 50% more than glocks. Someone is getting some on the side.

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Not the P320.  Retails for $599-$799, depending on caliber and frame/slide configuration.

Glock 17 G4 runs $629.99 retail and is not modular.

I am a devout glock fanboy, but I will freely admit that that choosing SIG for big green, and eventually the USMC was the best bet. SIG has really been putting together some revolutionary products and I think they deserve the contact. A lot of the female SNCOS and officers I know in the service are pretty girlish in stature and hand size and this pistol really will fit them better. With women being allowed into combat MOS's they may eventually have their lifes depend upon a better fitting pistol. ( I dont agree with that btw) As much as I love Glocks, Glock really needs needs to innovate. If you do not innovate in a free market you will get out competed just like they did. MY next handgun purchase for CC is actually going to be a czp10c.

I am however dissapointed that more R&D wasn't put into caseless ammunition. How is it that we can go from biplanes and propellor driven aircraft to planes like the f-35 and b-2 in a little over one hundred years but we cant create more efficient and lighter weight ammunition?

I am a devout glock fanboy, but I will freely admit that that choosing SIG for big green, and eventually the USMC was the best bet. SIG has really been putting together some revolutionary products and I think they deserve the contact. A lot of the female SNCOS and officers I know in the service are pretty girlish in stature and hand size and this pistol really will fit them better. With women being allowed into combat MOS's they may eventually have their lifes depend upon a better fitting pistol. ( I dont agree with that btw) As much as I love Glocks, Glock really needs needs to innovate. If you do not innovate in a free market you will get out competed just like they did. MY next handgun purchase for CC is actually going to be a czp10c.

I am however dissapointed that more R&D wasn't put into caseless ammunition. How is it that we can go from biplanes and propellor driven aircraft to planes like the f-35 and b-2 in a little over one hundred years but we cant create more efficient and lighter weight ammunition?

Not to get off topic, http://www.pcpammo.com/


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Pretty kewl stuff!!! Unfortunately, being a reloader means I have brass in my.................... wait for it.................... BLOOD!!! And you thought I was going to say BALLS!!! 

The Sig P320 was high on my "to buy" list before last November's election.  Ended up going with different guns, but I have heard a lot of good things about the P320.  I know a few people who own them and they've offered to let me try them out, but just never got around to trying the gun myself.  I also wouldn't mind trying the VP9 along side with the P320 and the PPQ and Glocks that I currently own.  I have an M&P 45, but the rest are 9s. 

Will be interesting to see how things shake out once this gets rolling, as in guns actually being put into use.  Wonder if there will be Beretta/M9 diehards.   

The Sig P320 was high on my "to buy" list before last November's election.  Ended up going with different guns, but I have heard a lot of good things about the P320.  I know a few people who own them and they've offered to let me try them out, but just never got around to trying the gun myself.  I also wouldn't mind trying the VP9 along side with the P320 and the PPQ and Glocks that I currently own.  I have an M&P 45, but the rest are 9s. 

Will be interesting to see how things shake out once this gets rolling, as in guns actually being put into use.  Wonder if there will be Beretta/M9 diehards.   

Come to a HDF open shoot and you can try my VP9.

The Sig P320 was high on my "to buy" list before last November's election.  Ended up going with different guns, but I have heard a lot of good things about the P320.  I know a few people who own them and they've offered to let me try them out, but just never got around to trying the gun myself.  I also wouldn't mind trying the VP9 along side with the P320 and the PPQ and Glocks that I currently own.  I have an M&P 45, but the rest are 9s. 

Will be interesting to see how things shake out once this gets rolling, as in guns actually being put into use.  Wonder if there will be Beretta/M9 diehards.   

I have a P320 but I am still looking hard at adding a P320X5 that just got announced.  Hit me up if you want to shake out the P320.  Still there every Wednesday and some Tuesdays.

As for the Beretta, there are definitely M9 diehards.  There is a current resurgence with these pistols in big part due to Bill Wilson's Brigadier 92G and Ernest Langdon of course.  Wouldn't mind having an M9A3 with a decocker only, like the G model.  But a Wilson 92G Brigadier would be very nice.  I am however waiting to see when the Langdon 92 comes out.  Provided it comes as Ernest spec'd it, I will probably have to pick one up.

I have a P320 but I am still looking hard at adding a P320X5 that just got announced.  Hit me up if you want to shake out the P320.  Still there every Wednesday and some Tuesdays.

As for the Beretta, there are definitely M9 diehards.  There is a current resurgence with these pistols in big part due to Bill Wilson's Brigadier 92G and Ernest Langdon of course.  Wouldn't mind having an M9A3 with a decocker only, like the G model.  But a Wilson 92G Brigadier would be very nice.  I am however waiting to see when the Langdon 92 comes out.  Provided it comes as Ernest spec'd it, I will probably have to pick one up.

Thanks!  Will keep that in mind.  I remember you mentioning your thoughts on the P320 previously.   

A shooting friend that lives in NC has a Wilson Beretta.  Not sure which model or what work, but don't believe he has the Brigadier.  I think he may have done the action tune package or something.  But he loves it!  Didn't ask how much he spent. 

I've shot some basic 92FS and maybe some others.  While they might take me a while to get used to, I would say they are good guns and the ones that I shot, shot well.  The safety/decocker thing seemed awkward to me, but mostly because of unfamiliarity. 

Come to a HDF open shoot and you can try my VP9.

Thank you for the offer, but I have plenty of opportunity to try both the VP9 and P320 via friends and shooting events.   

I've shot the VP9 a little here and there as well.  Nice gun for sure.  Just the "universal" mag release messes me up.  My HK USP Compact has that same/similar mag release.  That was the first gun I ever bought.  Since then, I've done most shooting with Glock and other thumb button mag release.  So that's something that I'm used to and have ingrained.  So much so that even while shooting my HK at the bullseye range, I find myself having to sort of think my way around the gun since that's the only gun that I have that has that ambi-paddle mag release as well as other features.  So the point where even if I really like the VP9, it would take me a while to get used to it.  An interesting test would be to shoot one in an IPSC/USPSA match and see. 

Not the P320.  Retails for $599-$799, depending on caliber and frame/slide configuration.

Glock 17 G4 runs $629.99 retail and is not modular.

As far as pricing goes, Glock & Sig Sauer have a "Blue Label" LEO/Mil discount program, I bought my G21 Gen4 for $516.00 @ SEC . The G17 Gen4 Blue Label Price @ SEC is $479.00. The Government Pricing would perhaps be equal to or better.

As far as pricing goes, Glock & Sig Sauer have a "Blue Label" LEO/Mil discount program, I bought my G21 Gen4 for $516.00 @ SEC . The G17 Gen4 Blue Label Price @ SEC is $479.00. The Government Pricing would perhaps be equal to or better.

True blue label pricing from the correct designated dealers are a bit lower than paid locally.  Not knocking the local shops at all as they make very little on the Blue Label guns, but Agency / .gov / .mil is even lower than true blue label pricing.  Sig Sauer also has similar programs.  They all know each others pricing and they try to stay relatively competitive with large contracts for obvious reasons.

I've found asking about blue label Glock prices fluctuate between dealers. I had a quote for G19 $425
These mil/leo programs offer little incentives for dealers
Good intention on the manufacturer but some retailers don't want to deal with it.

I picked up a blue label gen 4 Glock 17 MOS at SEC for $509. The non MOS version was $425.


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I've found asking about blue label Glock prices fluctuate between dealers. I had a quote for G19 $425
These mil/leo programs offer little incentives for dealers
Good intention on the manufacturer but some retailers don't want to deal with it.

There are distributors and there are dealers.  Distributors follow set pricing from the manufacturer.  Dealers get the pistols from the distributors and have an uptick in pricing.  There are no distributors here on the island so we have a small up price.  $425 is pretty standard here for factory plastic sights, tritium sights are about a $60+ difference sight dependent.  I do think the pricing here is more than fair, given their slight up pricing.  Blue labels are not money makers.

The Sig P320 was high on my "to buy" list before last November's election.  Ended up going with different guns, but I have heard a lot of good things about the P320.  I know a few people who own them and they've offered to let me try them out, but just never got around to trying the gun myself.  I also wouldn't mind trying the VP9 along side with the P320 and the PPQ and Glocks that I currently own.  I have an M&P 45, but the rest are 9s. 

Will be interesting to see how things shake out once this gets rolling, as in guns actually being put into use.  Wonder if there will be Beretta/M9 diehards.   

I've shot the H&K VP9, P320, and 92A1 side by side.  I own a M&P 9.  To me, the VP9 was clearly the most comfortable in my hands, had the best feeling trigger and I shot the tightest groups with.  My first thought was that it puts my M&P 9 to shame.  The one problem I had was riding it's slide catch.  The SIG had a weird feeling trigger, can't really explain it.  The 92A1 would be pretty good if it didn't have the slide mounted safety. 

I've shot the H&K VP9, P320, and 92A1 side by side.  I own a M&P 9.  To me, the VP9 was clearly the most comfortable in my hands, had the best feeling trigger and I shot the tightest groups with.  My first thought was that it puts my M&P 9 to shame.  The one problem I had was riding it's slide catch.  The SIG had a weird feeling trigger, can't really explain it.  The 92A1 would be pretty good if it didn't have the slide mounted safety.

Were you riding the slide catch down, causing the slide not to lock back after empty? 

That was something I did with my Glocks occasionally when I used the Glock extended slide stop.  Haven't had that happen since I switched to the Vickers/TD slide stop.  But I can certainly appreciate how that is something that one would get irritated about or even cause to not favor a particular gun.  However, seems like you shot the best with the VP9, so in my mind that counts for quite a bit.  One of my buddies shoots his Sig P-2202 (or something like that) really well, much better than any of his guns, and he would side the slide stop and it would cause malfunctions.  He adjusted his grip such that his right hand thumb was sort of placed on the outside of the base of the thumb on his left hand and that seemed to work for him.  Personally, I wouldn't want to adjust my grip for a specific gun. 

Funny you mention the Sig trigger.  That was one aspect that I've heard great things about the P320.  Well, the VP9 as well.  I know the trigger on my PPQ is awesome.  Something about now that there's more competition with polymer guns and the trigger mechanisms are all similar (or maybe about the same), that that was one way companies tried to differentiate themselves.  That said, what is a good trigger can be quite subjective.