Hawaii 2016 statistics on CCW Applications and Approvals (Hahahahahahahahahaha) (Read 16621 times)

punaperson

If this doesn't stimulate people to "activism" I don't know what will. Of course I'm not sure pulling your hair out and bursting brain capillaries will accomplish all that much...  :shaka: From an email I sent to a few of the people that have national media platforms advocating for firearms civil rights:

[PS I see that two "assault pistols" were confiscated on Oahu last June on the same day. I wonder if some poor soul walked in there to register firearms he brought from the mainland and got a very rude "Aloha. Lucky you live Hawaii!"  welcome?]

I just received the 2016 "raw" data regarding "carry" licenses applied for and issued/denied in the four counties of the state of Hawaii from the state statistician responsible for publishing the mandated statistics annually.

(You'll note that the distinction on licenses is either "security" (verified uniformed employees of a security firm who are granted a license to open carry while in uniform and on the clock), or "citizen", which is a concealed carry license, good only in the county of issue. Those are the only two options as per HRS 134-9.)

Here is a quick tabulation of the "citizen" (CCW) license applications and approvals for the entire year of 2016:

[EDIT: 3:15 PM 01/25/17 After more carefully creating a spreadsheet I've revised the numbers below:]

Hawaii county:   4   6 applications, 0 (zero) approvals
Kauai county:   4   5 applicatioins, 0 (zero) approvals
Maui county: 0 (zero) applications, 0 (zero) approvals
Honolulu county: 15 applications, 0 (zero) approvals

Entire state: 23 26 applications, 0 (zero) approvals

Thus Hawaii has continued for another year to have not one single citizen "approved" to exercise their right to bear arms for self-defense outside their home. In the past 17 years, since mandated reporting of applications began in 2000, only four CCW ("citizen") licenses have been issued, two in 2001 on Maui (all records claimed deleted), two on Kauai, one in 2006 to a judge, and one in 2013 (both of those were issued illegally for terms not allowed by law (the mandated non-discretionary term of the CCW license is "one year")... the latter being issued for nine days).

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So if they took an oath of office to uphold the constitutions, and both constitutions say there is a right to "bear arms", and not one single person in Hawaii can legally bear arms, what does "the right to bear arms" mean to "our" public servant legislators?
« Last Edit: January 25, 2017, 03:19:23 PM by punaperson »

ren

I think they interpreted as the govt.'s right to bear arms....
Deeds Not Words

punaperson

I think they interpreted as the govt.'s right to bear arms....
Oh, yeah, I forgot that part in Heller where Scalia pointed out that "the right of the people" means "the right of the government/militia"...

By the way, I did pose that very question to every single state senator and representative several weeks ago and have not heard back from a single one of them... go figure!
« Last Edit: January 25, 2017, 01:22:29 PM by punaperson »

changemyoil66

Thanks for this data.

zippz

I was wrong, I though Kealoha would've been issued one.

punaperson

I was wrong, I though Kealoha would've been issued one.
That data is only through Dec. 31, 2016. So they may have issued one after that date, and/or they gave him the "secret license" ("We will never put you in any legal jeopardy for carrying, brother. We all know you and all other (current and former) cops are special and deserve to be treated differently than the lowly serfs."). I wonder if the recently retired Kubojiri carries? He retired on December 30, 2016, so he wouldn't be in that data yet either for a legal license.

Flapp_Jackson

I was wrong, I though Kealoha would've been issued one.

Good luck to him passing the FBI background check!  LOL!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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dustoff003

I wonder what the HRA was doing with or did with all of the denial letters members here submitted to them?


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punaperson

I wonder what the HRA was doing with or did with all of the denial letters members here submitted to them?
You mean from the 2015 "push", right? Harvey is probably talking to six lawyers about it.

hispdvic

If Kealoha and other retired City, State & Federal law enforcement officers want to get a permit to carry its done thru the AG's office thru the LEOSA process not thru the City, it wont show up as concealed carry permits issued by the City.

punaperson

If Kealoha and other retired City, State & Federal law enforcement officers want to get a permit to carry its done thru the AG's office thru the LEOSA process not thru the City, it wont show up as concealed carry permits issued by the City.
Where will it show up?

hispdvic

Maybe you have to check with the AG's office, I know their are a couple of hundred or more retired LEO's with LEOSA permits (Good for all 50 states).

eyeeatingfish

Wow, I thought we had more people applying than just 15...

punaperson

Wow, I thought we had more people applying than just 15...
It's difficult to get people to waste time and energy engaging in futile actions.

Now, please call and send emails to your legislators so we can get some civil rights restored!  :geekdanc:

I can face-palm myself can't I?

Flapp_Jackson

It's difficult to get people to waste time and energy engaging in futile actions.

Now, please call and send emails to your legislators so we can get some civil rights restored!  :geekdanc:

I can face-palm myself can't I?

Not to mention the unknown impact of having to answer "yes" when asked if you've ever been denied a carry permit -- maybe when applying after the laws get changed.  Wouldn't surprise me if that answer will be used against you in some way.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

IMHO, the numbers they are presenting here is BS.  But since they do not work for the people and have no accountability nor transparency no one will ever know.

eyeeatingfish

IMHO, the numbers they are presenting here is BS.  But since they do not work for the people and have no accountability nor transparency no one will ever know.

Someone was gathering denials for possible legal action. We may be able to show more than that actual number if enough people turned them in.

Rocky

Someone was gathering denials for possible legal action. We may be able to show more than that actual number if enough people turned them in.
Yes, there were far more than 15 applicants, (2 in this household alone). :thumbsup:
Harvey was collecting them.

   Either way, lets start a thread  "Did you apply for Hawaii CCW in 2016 ?" to see how many of us did.
We have our denial letters as proof.

      We must show that the AG #'s are wrong and that more than 15 people in Hawaii want CCW.  :wtf:
Would also like  to see the AG's #'s from 2015 as we had a CCW drive that February I believe.
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punaperson

Yes, there were far more than 15 applicants, (2 in this household alone). :thumbsup:
Harvey was collecting them.

   Either way, lets start a thread  "Did you apply for Hawaii CCW in 2016 ?" to see how many of us did.
We have our denial letters as proof.

      We must show that the AG #'s are wrong and that more than 15 people in Hawaii want CCW.  :wtf:
Would also like  to see the AG's #'s from 2015 as we had a CCW drive that February I believe.
As I posted elsewhere earlier, that "drive" to apply for CCW and then mail the denial letters to Harvey was in 2015. The stats for 2015 were posted in February of 2016 by me (see again below). I never heard a peep from anyone by any name from any organization about what they did with however many denial letters they received. Kind of odd, especially if they had enough denial letters from any one county to "prove" that the county PD had falsified their monthly reports to the AG. (Those six lawyers are probably working on that too. :rofl:) I suspect the numbers are basically "real", allowing for possible minor "clerical error" (in the original documents you can see numbers scratched out and arrows reversing numbers from one box to another, addition errors, etc.).

Of course more than 15 people "want" CCW in Hawaii. Whenever a jurisdiction changes from highly restrictive "may issue" to far less restrictive "shall issue" the number of applications multiplies 1000% or more. What people in Hawaii don't want is to waste their time and money and then when they apply to another state for a non-resident CCW permit to have to check the "Yes" box for the question "Have you ever been denied a permit? If so, explain." And then hope that the person evaluating your application will believe the far-fetched sounding claim that "Hawaii is a no issue state". Who in their right mind would believe that? ALL states issue CCW, some more or less than others, but NO ONE GETS A LICENSE? That sounds like a phony excuse for a denial. I'm just sayin'...

"Citizen" CCW application stats, by county, for 2015:

                     Applications      Issued
Honolulu               27                  0
Hawaii county       12                  0
Maui                       2                  0
Kauai                     3                   0

6716J

They really don't like CCW in Hawaii do they?
I did some research based on the info from the AG's office. Attached is the data in PDF and a pic, but I haven't figured out how to add an excel file.

Spread the word...

            

« Last Edit: February 27, 2017, 11:54:50 AM by 6716J »
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