Hello all,

[Moderator forgive me if this has been asked/answered somewhere else, this forum is so huge I didn't find it]

May I buy a long arm in another state and fly home with it and register it?

I am NOT talking about ordering one online or over the phone, having the distant vendor send it to a dealer in Hawaii, and getting it that way.

I am talking about physically going to another state in-person, buying one there, and flying home with it.

Is that legal/illegal in HPD/Hawaii's eyes?
Presuming the distant state doesn't care where I reside at and does sell to me, why would Hawaii care if I bought it somewhere else?

I am a Hawaii resident. I am traveling to Louisiana on a business trip, and just talked to a salesgirl there who said they could sell to me (even though I am a Hawaii, NOT a Louisiana resident) with only a quick phone call/check up of me via some...database or agency somewhere... Regardless of weather or not that is true in LA, for the purposes of this forum, what would Hawaii/HPD think of that purchase?
Would they seize it after I pass it to them through the thick glass a their Beretania St registration window and not give it back to me???

Thats a question for the ATF,  Call them @ (808) 566-4800

Not a problem, I do it all the time.

It bypasses HPD permit process. 

Not a problem, I do it all the time.

It bypasses HPD permit process. 

Right. And if you forget to register them in the allotted time you dont have to register them. SCOTUS :  Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968)

Right. And if you forget to register them in the allotted time you dont have to register them. SCOTUS :  Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968)

doesnt look like that has worked well in the past...

https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.haynes.html

I'd think as long as you have a Permit to Acquire and a plane ticket to show how you got it here, you should be okay.

I'd think as long as you have a Permit to Acquire and a plane ticket to show how you got it here, you should be okay.

 Not required to obtain a firearm from out of State.

doesnt look like that has worked well in the past...

https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.haynes.html

Both of those relate to NFA items, and as stated after Haynes they changed it so that a felons can register an NFA item and not be charged with illegal possession,

There is currently a bill in hawaii that would decriminalize late registration for  this reason. By registring a gun late you would be forced into incriminating yourself. Now if this bill passes you would be on your own.

OP was referring to buying a firearm out of State, not bypassing HI registration process.

Not required to obtain a firearm from out of State.

That's not what I'm saying. The complication is that he's not moving to the state since he already lives here nor is he "sojourning" to the state. He doesn't need a PtA from Louisiana and sounds like he doesn't need much. The OP is asking if he'll get in trouble with HPD since he's circumventing the waiting period requirement by traveling to another state, purchasing the firearm, and bring it back with him. If he already has the PtA (and subsequently rapback), then he's not taking advantage of a loophole.

"Out of state registrants need to take firearm(s), in person, to the Main Police Station Firearms Unit no later than 5 calendar days from arrival. Out of state registrants are encouraged to arrive at the Firearms Unit no later than 3:00 pm. The out of state registration process can be lengthy. If there is a line, we may not be able to accommodate you. There is no 14-day waiting period for Out-of-State Registration. You need the following when you register your firearm:

Rapback fee $42.00. Cash / exact change or Credit Card.
Valid photo identification
The firearm for inspection (In a gun case, unloaded)
If you were born outside the United States, bring proof of citizenship such as an Original US Passport, Original Naturalization Certificate, Original Born Abroad Certificate, or if you are in the military your Enlisted (ERB) or Officer (ORB) Record Brief will suffice only if the document states you are a United States Citizen."

Like I said , I do it all the time. Its does circumvent the HPD waiting period. But HPD has no jurisdiction for any firearms obtain out of State.
All this was before the Rapback. Bringing back the firearm would put oneself into the system, Only plus is it bypasses the BS 2 weeks to get a permit if someone doesn't have a permit.

What is 'Rapback' ?
And yes, the OP does have a PtA (longarm) from HPD. OP just wants to take advantage of opportunity off-island. (And, price)

Like I said , I do it all the time. Its does circumvent the HPD waiting period. But HPD has no jurisdiction for any firearms obtain out of State.
All this was before the Rapback. Bringing back the firearm would put oneself into the system, Only plus is it bypasses the BS 2 weeks to get a permit if someone doesn't have a permit.

Yup. While I've not done it personally, I have a bunch of friends who have done this. Buy while in business trip or even on vacation and bring home.

I thought about doing this once while in Alaska, but they require residency to purchase. So didn't bother. The pricing was just ok as well. Not like other states that don't have residency requirement.



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To clarify:
Hawaii state laws about purchasing firearms only apply to firearms purchased in Hawaii.  Permits issued in Hawaii have no legal meaning outside of the state, and are irrelevant.

Any firearm you legally purchase in another state is your property. What hoops you had to jump through were determined by that state.

Bringing your property back, in the case of firearms, means you do have to register it with HPD. HPD knows that this happens, and are fairly blase about it. You won't get in trouble, it's fine.

You will find yourself enrolled in a Federal database for violent criminals called RapBack. That is a new law in Hawaii, and pertains to any firearms registration in the state. It would have happened if you bought it here, too.

To clarify:
Hawaii state laws about purchasing firearms only apply to firearms purchased in Hawaii.  Permits issued in Hawaii have no legal meaning outside of the state, and are irrelevant.

Any firearm you legally purchase in another state is your property. What hoops you had to jump through were determined by that state.

Bringing your property back, in the case of firearms, means you do have to register it with HPD. HPD knows that this happens, and are fairly blase about it. You won't get in trouble, it's fine.

You will find yourself enrolled in a Federal database for violent criminals called RapBack. That is a new law in Hawaii, and pertains to any firearms registration in the state. It would have happened if you bought it here, too.

Thanks!

You will find yourself enrolled in a Federal database for violent criminals called RapBack.

If only that were true. Even non-violent crimes are reported to HPD. It's intended to keep track of teachers and public servants. It was never intended for gun owners. Totally rigged. Sad.

Yup. While I've not done it personally, I have a bunch of friends who have done this. Buy while in business trip or even on vacation and bring home.

I thought about doing this once while in Alaska, but they require residency to purchase. So didn't bother. The pricing was just ok as well. Not like other states that don't have residency requirement.



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I purchased a long gun in Fairbanks @ Fred Meyer in 2014. Just had to have a valid Hawaii Hawaii permit and a Hawaii drivers license. No prob registering it here when I got back...

I purchased a long gun in Fairbanks @ Fred Meyer in 2014. Just had to have a valid Hawaii Hawaii permit and a Hawaii drivers license. No prob registering it here when I got back...

Why would you need a Hawaii permit outside of Hawaii ?

Why would you need a Hawaii permit outside of Hawaii ?

??  exactly  ??

I purchased a long gun in Fairbanks @ Fred Meyer in 2014. Just had to have a valid Hawaii Hawaii permit and a Hawaii drivers license. No prob registering it here when I got back...

Went to a couple gun shops. Both said needed to be resident. That was in 2012 I think. Didn't really question as I wasn't really serious. Was just asking if I came across a great deal. Was more serious about ammo, but didn't end up bringing home any.


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