BTW, to avoid having to put the permit number on the receiver, just create whatever Serial Number you like and engrave it.  Once it's serialized, that "has no serial number" section no longer applies.

(d)  Registration shall not be required for:

     (1)  Any device that is designed to fire loose black powder or that is a firearm manufactured before 1899;

CMMG, Inc. AR-15 Muzzle Loading Black Powder Upper Assembly .50 Caliber 20" Barrel Picatinny Rail Black



Bring the fun of black powder to the modern sporting rifle platform with this specialized upper assembly from CMMG. Just pin onto any AR-15 lower receiver and insert the included Single Shot Sled into the magazine well. Load the barrel with a .50 caliber sabot bullet and up to 100 grains of pelletized black powder. Insert a primed .223/5.56 casing in the action, release the bolt and you're ready to go. The barrel is easily removable for cleaning. Includes ramrod and a sling with ramrod storage.

CMMG, Inc. AR-15 Muzzle Loading Black Powder Upper Assembly .50 Caliber 20" Barrel Picatinny Rail Black



Bring the fun of black powder to the modern sporting rifle platform with this specialized upper assembly from CMMG. Just pin onto any AR-15 lower receiver and insert the included Single Shot Sled into the magazine well. Load the barrel with a .50 caliber sabot bullet and up to 100 grains of pelletized black powder. Insert a primed .223/5.56 casing in the action, release the bolt and you're ready to go. The barrel is easily removable for cleaning. Includes ramrod and a sling with ramrod storage.

No longer in production.

No longer in production.

Damn!  So much for putting the fun back in!

 

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0001.htm

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0003.htm


If you bring all the parts in to build a car or motorcycle, do you believe you'll be able to operated it on roads without registering it?  Once the receiver meets the definition of firearm, the state's laws apply.  It's not my interpretation.  It's what everyone on here who has built an 80% lower into a receiver has done after talking to HPD.

Just taking the law to mean what it literally says.

 "Firearm" means any weapon, for which the operating force is an explosive, including but not limited to pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns, automatic firearms, noxious gas projectors, mortars, bombs, and cannon.

A weapon is an item designed or modified to cause injury or death. (not defined in Hawaii but this is the common definition)

A Lower receiver defined by federal law is a firearm. BUT Hawaii does not define it as one as by itself it can not operate with an exploding force. Nor does it have a barrel. to be a pistol or rifle it must have a barrel (16 inchs+ = rifle, all else pistol)

so by Hawaiis own laws you do not need to register a lower receiver created from an 80% lower, UNTILL you add a barrel
OR
If you wanted to go further then that  You wouldn't need to register it untill you used it in a way that it is a weapon.  A firearm that is manufactured (and designed by you cutting it) is not a firearm in Hawaii IF you only intend to shoot paper or hunt with it.


But that just what the law says.........

Damn!  So much for putting the fun back in!

 

even if you added it you would most likely need to permanently attach the front take down pin to satisfy HPD that its ONLY a black powder rifle.

Same as with a can cannon, 80% lower + can canon with a permanently attached front take down pin = Not a firearm

Just taking the law to mean what it literally says.

 "Firearm" means any weapon, for which the operating force is an explosive, including but not limited to pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns, automatic firearms, noxious gas projectors, mortars, bombs, and cannon.

A weapon is an item designed or modified to cause injury or death. (not defined in Hawaii but this is the common definition)

A Lower receiver defined by federal law is a firearm. BUT Hawaii does not define it as one as by itself it can not operate with an exploding force. Nor does it have a barrel. to be a pistol or rifle it must have a barrel (16 inchs+ = rifle, all else pistol)

so by Hawaiis own laws you do not need to register a lower receiver created from an 80% lower, UNTILL you add a barrel
OR
If you wanted to go further then that  You wouldn't need to register it untill you used it in a way that it is a weapon.  A firearm that is manufactured (and designed by you cutting it) is not a firearm in Hawaii IF you only intend to shoot paper or hunt with it.


But that just what the law says.........

I remember reading the rationale by ATF for defining the firearm as they do --- the fire control group is what makes a firearm work.  Without it, there's no easy way to operate the weapon.  So, that's the part they decided to designate for control and transfer purposes.  Anyone (technically) can change out a barrel, upper receiver, etc.  So the serial on the part that has the working parts makes a little sense.

I understand and respect all OPINIONS about SHTF and all that.  say you manufacture your 80% and bring it in for registration to HPD, will they require you to go thru the permit process and wait 14 days?  the HPD site doesn't give a definitive answer.  let's see if we can stick to the facts here....  past experience stories anyone?

I understand and respect all OPINIONS about SHTF and all that.  say you manufacture your 80% and bring it in for registration to HPD, will they require you to go thru the permit process and wait 14 days?  the HPD site doesn't give a definitive answer.  let's see if we can stick to the facts here....  past experience stories anyone?

Since it's a rifle by their definition, you just need your Long Gun Permit to Acquire.  If you don't have one, best to apply and pick it up before you try to register.  I've registered a few lowers as "lower receiver" on the registration form.

As for engraving, you have to worry about the "place to keep" BS.  That limits you to gun shops and gunsmiths for the most part.  There are ways to do it yourself, or you can mail it to places that can do a professional job.  HPD is fine with using their anti-theft engraving pen to mark it for you, but I think most would rather have a better looking job done!

I understand and respect all OPINIONS about SHTF and all that.  say you manufacture your 80% and bring it in for registration to HPD, will they require you to go thru the permit process and wait 14 days?  the HPD site doesn't give a definitive answer.  let's see if we can stick to the facts here....  past experience stories anyone?

Never done it because its cheaper to buy a finished lower.

Never done it because its cheaper to buy a finished lower.

I've heard that somewhere before ....

I understand and respect all OPINIONS about SHTF and all that.  say you manufacture your 80% and bring it in for registration to HPD, will they require you to go thru the permit process and wait 14 days?  the HPD site doesn't give a definitive answer.  let's see if we can stick to the facts here....  past experience stories anyone?

I already told you what to do. Get information directly from the head of the firearms registration division about the exact details of registering an 80% lower, preferably in writing. Ask all the questions you asked here (re engraving, etc.). No matter what someone on this forum tells you, you should not rely on it as valid legal advice. That's my legal advice. Please ignore it. 

Might not be an issue for that much longer anyway:

H.R. 1278 - would require background checks before buying unassembled firearm kits

Two House Democrats have introduced legislation that would require federal background checks before buying unassembled firearm kits and unfinished receivers.

The measure, entered as H.R. 1278 last week, would amend federal law to consider firearm kits to be firearms.

http://www.guns.com/2017/03/07/new-b...-gun-loophole/

“Guns assembled using these kits are called ghost guns because they are often times completely untraceable, assembled using a receiver that does not have a serial number, and are almost impossible to be tracked by law enforcement,” said Espaillat. “The Ghost Guns Are Guns Act closes this loophole as these guns are more often used in violent crimes and pose serious safety concerns to our communities and law enforcement.”

The measure, co-sponsored by Illinois Democrat Brad Schneider, would add the broad definition of “any combination of parts designed or intended for use in converting any device into a firearm and from which a firearm may be readily assembled” to the definition of what constitutes a firearm under federal law.

these guns are more often used in violent crimes

uh...
no

HPD refuses to register my flare guns.......

or these 100% receivers

CMMG, Inc. AR-15 Muzzle Loading Black Powder Upper Assembly .50 Caliber 20" Barrel Picatinny Rail Black



Bring the fun of black powder to the modern sporting rifle platform with this specialized upper assembly from CMMG. Just pin onto any AR-15 lower receiver and insert the included Single Shot Sled into the magazine well. Load the barrel with a .50 caliber sabot bullet and up to 100 grains of pelletized black powder. Insert a primed .223/5.56 casing in the action, release the bolt and you're ready to go. The barrel is easily removable for cleaning. Includes ramrod and a sling with ramrod storage.

Of course, being an upper, no government notice is required.

uh...
no

Someone in the comments section did that math, as much as can be done given the vagueness of stats categories of exact type of firearms used in crimes, and the number of crimes committed using "ghost guns" is either zero or very close to zero. But the politician (who also introduced legislation to protect "sanctuary cities") claims that the "ghost guns" "are more often used in violent crimes" (more often than what?). And he wouldn't lie or be ignorant of the facts, would he?

Of course, being an upper, no government notice is required.

Yet. See: HR 1278.

CMMG, Inc. AR-15 Muzzle Loading Black Powder Upper Assembly .50 Caliber 20" Barrel Picatinny Rail Black



Bring the fun of black powder to the modern sporting rifle platform with this specialized upper assembly from CMMG. Just pin onto any AR-15 lower receiver and insert the included Single Shot Sled into the magazine well. Load the barrel with a .50 caliber sabot bullet and up to 100 grains of pelletized black powder. Insert a primed .223/5.56 casing in the action, release the bolt and you're ready to go. The barrel is easily removable for cleaning. Includes ramrod and a sling with ramrod storage.

(d)  Registration shall not be required for:

     (1)  Any device that is designed to fire loose black powder or that is a firearm manufactured before 1899;

Not sure if this means anything but "pelletized" black powder is not the same as "loose" black powder. Maybe it is just being picky. There are guns that are designed to use pelletized black powder substitute such as this upper. And one should not try and use loose black powder in these guns. But I can see HPD giving someone a hard time over this.