Quote from: vooduchikn on January 26, 2012, 08:31:02 PM

Quote from: kong on January 26, 2012, 08:26:02 PM

Quote from: clshade on January 22, 2012, 11:48:36 AM

The military will still be here even if that happens, though. Makes Hawaii a very, very difficult target. If it were to actually be invaded the Military might make use of civilian militias. That would be the best way to defend Hawaii from invasion. We gun saavy civilians can think we're badass but rudimentary unit tactics tend to shred disorganized resistance. Sniping can certainly have an impact, but the invading force is going to have snipers, too. Unless the civilian resistance is organized it won't likely do much more than slow the invasion a bit and get a bunch of gun owners killed. Possibly even cause some problems for the military operations.

Just being realistic.

We have good guns and we know how to use them, for sure, but going up against teams of trained soldiers each with automatic assault rifles supported by SAW's and designated marksmen? Air support? Drones? Armor and artillery?

There is a huge power in having an easily mobilized, armed civilian force, though, and any invading force would realize that - even without efficient military organization. I have a feeling that the military would call on Hawaii's gun owners and provide rudimentary training in unit tactics should the need arise. If nothing else we could help with logistics so that better trained soldiers are freed up for the front lines. And I'd expect ex-military to be called on to rejoin the main force. The US Military will NOT let the Pearl go without every ounce of fight it can put up - and it would probably be in the best interest of the civilians to do everything they can to support that.

Its one of the reason I'd want to have NATO caliber weapons on hand. I can provide my own ammo to a point but it would be nice to save that for hunting if it comes down to it.

Some bunch of ragtag miltia types with rudimentary weapons training, and explosives making created so much bloodshed they ousted the russian bear in A-stan and now we are having the same fiasco and Iraq is another insurgent warfare style battle.  There is something to be said about insurgent warfare though with the global economy and how all the countries make money from each other I doubt any of this would ever happen.

um, no. The main reason russia lost is because we gave the afgans advanced weaponry. They were getting chewed up until they got stingers and anti tank capabilities from the US.

And Iraq??  IED's are real advanced.

Have you seen one up close? How about the ones made from iranian shell casings and copper plates with proximty sensors. Some of them are very advanced, rag tagtards from the ghetto arent making them regardless of what you see on CNN.

Quote from: vooduchikn on January 26, 2012, 08:31:02 PM

Quote from: kong on January 26, 2012, 08:26:02 PM

Quote from: clshade on January 22, 2012, 11:48:36 AM

The military will still be here even if that happens, though. Makes Hawaii a very, very difficult target. If it were to actually be invaded the Military might make use of civilian militias. That would be the best way to defend Hawaii from invasion. We gun saavy civilians can think we're badass but rudimentary unit tactics tend to shred disorganized resistance. Sniping can certainly have an impact, but the invading force is going to have snipers, too. Unless the civilian resistance is organized it won't likely do much more than slow the invasion a bit and get a bunch of gun owners killed. Possibly even cause some problems for the military operations.

Just being realistic.

We have good guns and we know how to use them, for sure, but going up against teams of trained soldiers each with automatic assault rifles supported by SAW's and designated marksmen? Air support? Drones? Armor and artillery?

There is a huge power in having an easily mobilized, armed civilian force, though, and any invading force would realize that - even without efficient military organization. I have a feeling that the military would call on Hawaii's gun owners and provide rudimentary training in unit tactics should the need arise. If nothing else we could help with logistics so that better trained soldiers are freed up for the front lines. And I'd expect ex-military to be called on to rejoin the main force. The US Military will NOT let the Pearl go without every ounce of fight it can put up - and it would probably be in the best interest of the civilians to do everything they can to support that.

Its one of the reason I'd want to have NATO caliber weapons on hand. I can provide my own ammo to a point but it would be nice to save that for hunting if it comes down to it.

Some bunch of ragtag miltia types with rudimentary weapons training, and explosives making created so much bloodshed they ousted the russian bear in A-stan and now we are having the same fiasco and Iraq is another insurgent warfare style battle.  There is something to be said about insurgent warfare though with the global economy and how all the countries make money from each other I doubt any of this would ever happen.

um, no. The main reason russia lost is because we gave the afgans advanced weaponry. They were getting chewed up until they got stingers and anti tank capabilities from the US.

And Iraq??  IED's are real advanced.

We occupied Iraq for close to a decade, and left because we got tired of playing. (Plus Mom's calling, and I think tonight is meatloaf night, guys.)  Despite us handicapping ourselves by trying to befriend the Iraqis, their insurgency was generally safer than an average day in Detroit; the Chinese will have no such sympathies.  I rather doubt the Chinese or anybody else that would invade us would painstakingly clear your entire building, room by room in order to avoid collateral.  They'll just bomb the whole block to rubble and move on. 

I mis-spoke when I mentioned Honolulu as a target. It was Honolulu county, which is pretty much all of Oahu.

Foot don't taste good.

Google "primary nuclear targets map" for unrelated but decent info.

I mis-spoke when I mentioned Honolulu as a target. It was Honolulu county, which is pretty much all of Oahu.

Foot don't taste good.

Google "primary nuclear targets map" for unrelated but decent info.

Hmm, never did a search for that before.  Among some tidbits:

"PRIMARY:
These are mostly missile silos, bomber bases, submarine bases, and command and control centers."

Pearl has no silos or bombers, but darn sure has C&C for the Pacific fleet and is a major sub base.  Hence why I always felt the place had a bulls eye pasted on it.  The proximity of Honolulu to the harbor pretty much means it goes too.

From another tidbit:

"HAWAII
Primary:
Honolulu area (all of Oahu except Waimea-Kahuku area & Makapuu Point).
Secondary: none
Tertiary: none"

Makes me feel better being on the BI.  Do not understand the "all of Oahu" being primary.  Other than some satellite downstations, what is there north of Honolulu?

Quote from: tonsofguns on January 26, 2012, 10:01:25 PM

I mis-spoke when I mentioned Honolulu as a target. It was Honolulu county, which is pretty much all of Oahu.

Foot don't taste good.

Google "primary nuclear targets map" for unrelated but decent info.

Hmm, never did a search for that before.  Among some tidbits:

"PRIMARY:
These are mostly missile silos, bomber bases, submarine bases, and command and control centers."

Pearl has no silos or bombers, but darn sure has C&C for the Pacific fleet and is a major sub base.  Hence why I always felt the place had a bulls eye pasted on it.  The proximity of Honolulu to the harbor pretty much means it goes too.

From another tidbit:

"HAWAII
Primary:
Honolulu area (all of Oahu except Waimea-Kahuku area & Makapuu Point).
Secondary: none
Tertiary: none"

Makes me feel better being on the BI.  Do not understand the "all of Oahu" being primary.  Other than some satellite downstations, what is there north of Honolulu?

Kaneohe is a large Marine Corps base with an airfield for various military planes. 

Some bunch of ragtag miltia types with rudimentary weapons training, and explosives making created so much bloodshed they ousted the russian bear in A-stan and now we are having the same fiasco and Iraq is another insurgent warfare style battle.  There is something to be said about insurgent warfare though with the global economy and how all the countries make money from each other I doubt any of this would ever happen.
um, no. The main reason russia lost is because we gave the afgans advanced weaponry. They were getting chewed up until they got stingers and anti tank capabilities from the US.


And Iraq??  IED's are real advanced.
Have you seen one up close? How about the ones made from iranian shell casings and copper plates with proximty sensors. Some of them are very advanced, rag tagtards from the ghetto arent making them regardless of what you see on CNN.

Yep throw up the white flag!!  We give up.

Yep throw up the white flag!!  We give up.

what the fuck is this supposed  to mean?

Just checking in.  This is fascinating from a mainlander's point of view.  Thanks.

Just checking in.  This is fascinating from a mainlander's point of view.  Thanks.

If Hawaii is invaded, we're all going to Terry's house. 

If Hawaii is invaded, we're all going to Terry's house. 

BS, I'm taking my crowbar to KK's gun safe!   

BS, I'm taking my crowbar to KK's gun safe!   

And this is why I own firearms.

Just in case them Montana hoodlums come a lootin. 

Apart from the basic history of HI for me in this thread, this, from clshade, was particularly salient:

We gun saavy civilians can think we're badass but rudimentary unit tactics tend to shred disorganized resistance. Sniping can certainly have an impact, but the invading force is going to have snipers, too. Unless the civilian resistance is organized it won't likely do much more than slow the invasion a bit and get a bunch of gun owners killed. Possibly even cause some problems for the military operations.

Just being realistic.

We have good guns and we know how to use them, for sure, but going up against teams of trained soldiers each with automatic assault rifles supported by SAW's and designated marksmen? Air support? Drones? Armor and artillery?

And communications.  And FAE munitions.

You want to come to my house if HI is invaded?  Hey, it's a 4000 mile paddle and portage:

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2800.msg25850#msg25850

Terry, 230RN

REF (FAE munitions):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon

You want to come to my house if HI is invaded?  Hey, it's a 4000 mile paddle and portage:

Hey hey hey....no need to get racist.   





(yes I know what it means).   

lol you potagee!   

Apart from the basic history of HI for me in this thread, this, from clshade, was particularly salient:

And communications.  And FAE munitions.

You want to come to my house if HI is invaded?  Hey, it's a 4000 mile paddle and portage:

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2800.msg25850#msg25850

Terry, 230RN

REF (FAE munitions):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon

I might take you up on that, but my canoe is probably going to be abandoned on the beach somewhere in Mexico or California.

"I might take you up on that, but my canoe is probably going to be abandoned on the beach somewhere in Mexico or California."

Avoid landfall in Mexico like the plague. 

For that matter, avoid landfall in California like, um, well,the plague, too.

Frying pan... fire, all that "jumping from" stuff:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/stateleg/scorecard/2011/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf

"I might take you up on that, but my canoe is probably going to be abandoned on the beach somewhere in Mexico or California."

Avoid landfall in Mexico like the plague. 

For that matter, avoid landfall in California like, um, well,the plague, too.

Frying pan... fire, all that "jumping from" stuff:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/stateleg/scorecard/2011/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf

aim for alaska

Lol on the potagees....

Sorry getting in late.... but dis portagees while be defending the homestead of Hawaii... 

If we're invaded foreign or domestic I'm running into the mountains, survivor man style.  They will come a knocking to your door especially since they all know who owns rifles since they need to be registered. 

DonRow, excellent post, mahalo, Im born and raised hawaii, family been here for generations, ALL of my family up until my generation for the last 200 years were Hawaiian citicens, used to burn me up when someone whose ancestors came from the philipines and the azores would call me an f--- in haole, my great great grandfather was the sherrif of kauai given the position by the monarchy and people loved him, they stole nothing from anyone. i think Hawaiian is in your heart more than the color of the skin,

Got off subject there, if we were ever invaded on the ground, I pity the fools, know more people who own more guns and can use them and im sure none of them would say ok you win, im sure whoever invaded would be handed their ass in a body bag.  They would have to destroy the whole place to take it, that is my biggest fear because about 1.5 miles above my house is one of the airforce's main installations for sat com etc, i would think that would be a first strike for an invading force, in essence it would blind a portion of the military, im sure there is redundence but??  On an areal photo it looks like a major target, even though they say its for tracking space junk, a foreign country like NK or China im sure look at it and say target. If that happens i think my ass is grass!