Bill would require recycling of gray water (Read 9125 times)

drck1000

Bill would require recycling of gray water
« on: February 28, 2017, 07:20:13 AM »
Heard about this on the news this morning.  I would think that there would be many with lots of $$$ that would oppose this legislation.  I heard that it passed two Senate committees recently.  Don't really care much about the actual legislation per se, but was interested in tracking this as related to firearms legislation.  As in I would think this bill would get lots of opposition and see if it has been passing or moving forward despite the feedback. 

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Developers who want to construct buildings in Hawaii would have to install systems to reuse gray water under a bill in the Legislature.

Without those plans they wouldn’t be able to get a building permit.

The idea would be to recycle gently used water as some Hawaii residents have done for generations.

State Sen. Clarence Nishihara said that while he was growing up in Upcountry Maui, many families had Japanese baths called “furos,” and they would let the water drain off into fields or plants.

“My mother’s one would run off into a little patch of ginger,” said Nishihara, who co-introduced the bill. “It was OK because it was soap water, right? It wasn’t toilet water.”

Two Senate committees passed the bill Monday. They removed a phrase that said the gray water would be used for irrigation.

The Hawaii bill is unique, and most states consider tax incentives to promote gray-water systems, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Critics say the bill would increase construction costs and delay building, and some are concerned the bill doesn’t have enough information to ensure the recycled water will be safely used by residents.

“While the County of Maui supports the intent of this bill, we feel that there are too many (no pun intended) gray areas,” said Maui Mayor Alan Arakawa in written testimony. “Not enough details are provided. Without details, the door is opened for inconsistencies in the way it’s implemented at the county level.”

The counties would come up with their own rules for what type of gray-water systems could be used, Nishihara said.

Gray water includes water from showers, sinks not in the kitchen and washing machines that haven’t been used to clean diapers, according to the state Department of Health, which issued guidelines for using gray water in 2009. Water from toilets and kitchen sinks where bacteria can be present is considered “black water” that shouldn’t be recycled.

“Right now we use clean water for flushing toilets,” Nishihara said. “Maybe a better use of clean water would be irrigation.”

More can be done to reuse gray water once the state building code is updated to allow for dual plumbing systems, said Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Department of Health, in an email. Separate piping systems need to be installed to separate gray water from black water, she said.

Because gray water can contain fats, oils, grease, hair, lint, soaps, cleansers, fabric softeners and other chemicals, it should be used only on the property of the household from which the water came, according to the Health Department. That way, unsuspecting neighbors would not be exposed. Health officials also said gray water should not be used to irrigate fruit and vegetable gardens where the consumed portion of the plants rests on the ground.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/02/28/hawaii-news/bill-would-require-recycling-of-gray-water/

Didn't see the HB or SB number in the articles that I found this morning.  Will try to find when I have some time later.

whynow?

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2017, 08:32:27 PM »
Wondering if condo or office building builders will then be forced into providing green spaces so the gray water from their building can be reused.   Does this sound something like Jeremy Harris's idea to ban individuals washing cars and not collecting the used water?  These types of laws sometimes have bad unintended consequences.
I'm still irritated about the plastic bag ban on Oahu.   It's ridiculous when store employees  look horrified when you ask for a bag for your loose items that security wants to check because you're hand carrying them.

Heavies

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2017, 08:36:55 PM »
Sound like another get rich quick scam for these 'lawmaker's' and their buddies.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2017, 08:54:42 PM »
Who is this "Bill", and why is he always f**king s#!t up?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2017, 09:14:22 PM »
Who is this "Bill", and why is he always f**king s#!t up?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2017, 09:25:29 PM »
Where's the part about lying that the bill is not a tax, then changing it after passage so you don't let the Supreme Court repeal it?

Where are all the special interest groups, lobbyists, and party leaders telling everyone how to vote?

Where is all the pork spending that bribes legislators to support/reject a bill?

So many parts of the process are missing!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 09:42:15 PM »
What would big buildings do with all this grey water?  A lot don't have much grass and trees to use I on?  that would be tons of extra water.  I know!  the city could dump yet another charge to get rid of it!  yay!!

oldfart

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 08:50:50 AM »
Does not work in urbanized areas. Too much grey water to safely dispose of.

Absolutely great for a single family dwelling with any kind of yard or plants.
I have often thought about all the grey water I generate and ways to easily divert it to water the yard.
We used to do that at my grandparents house in up country Maui.
What, Me Worry?

Heavies

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2017, 08:57:59 AM »
I know there are many that already recycle grey water, but is it even legal to do that currently, even in single family homes?  Maybe they should work on that first?

drck1000

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2017, 08:59:03 AM »
Does not work in urbanized areas. Too much grey water to safely dispose of.

Absolutely great for a single family dwelling with any kind of yard or plants.
I have often thought about all the grey water I generate and ways to easily divert it to water the yard.
We used to do that at my grandparents house in up country Maui.
It's been a while since I've worked on a project that proposed use of gray water.  In one, I recall it needed a bunch of piping infrastructure to connect to the site irrigation system. That was for a resort that had large green landscaped areas.  Then there were other projects that proposed using gray water for stuff like irrigation for golf courses.  You see essentially the same thing on golf courses where they warn you that the water isn't potable.  It does get expensive with the infrastructure required. 

For us, my grandparents used gray water all the time to water the plants and stuff.  Composting and other things were the norm.  However, that was with a house with green areas outside.  Practical application in a concrete jungle would be quite challenging for sure. 

drck1000

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2017, 09:01:14 AM »
I know there are many that already recycle grey water, but is it even legal to do that currently, even in single family homes?  Maybe they should work on that first?
You mean legal as in heath codes and stuff like plumbing codes allow?  I would have to check with the mechanical engineers (they handle plumbing issues), but it is my understanding that the systems are separate.  Just a matter of isolating which systems are deemed appropriate for recapture. 

drck1000

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2017, 09:02:27 AM »

drck1000

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2017, 09:08:23 AM »
Found the bill.  SB555

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Prohibits the issuance of new building permits unless it is established that the building will be furnished with equipment that allows for the collection and use of gray water for irrigation. Provides for exemptions. Takes effect on 1/1/2018.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=555&year=2017


Original
2 Opposed (Maui Mayor Alan Arakawa and Hawaii Farm Bureau submitted letters)
1 Comments Only (Seems opposed)
1 Support

Late
2 Opposed

Inspector

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2017, 12:14:47 PM »
Sound like another get rich quick scam for these 'lawmaker's' and their buddies.
Sounds like the climate change people are going to get rich from this as well.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

eyeeatingfish

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2017, 12:32:18 AM »
In japan they use toilets with a hand washing faucet above the basin. When you flush it refills the tank through the faucet so basically you wash your hands after you flush with the water for the next flush.

For some reason we don't have these yet but it seems painfully stupid that we don't utilize such a system.

Heavies

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2017, 01:16:09 AM »
In japan they use toilets with a hand washing faucet above the basin. When you flush it refills the tank through the faucet so basically you wash your hands after you flush with the water for the next flush.

For some reason we don't have these yet but it seems painfully stupid that we don't utilize such a system.

That's a good idea. 

Many times I don't see people washing though.... ewww

eyeeatingfish

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2017, 01:26:11 AM »
That's a good idea. 

Many times I don't see people washing though.... ewww

Maybe they are environmentalists saving water?

Heavies

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2017, 01:44:52 AM »
Maybe they are environmentalists saving water?

Quite possibly because generally they don't flush either.  But maybe that's because at least half the deed didn't make it in the bowl anyway.....

Heavies

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2017, 01:56:48 AM »
Guidelines for the Reuse of Gray Water

http://health.hawaii.gov/wastewater/files/2016/03/14_Gray_Water_GL.pdf


Good info!  Thank you. 

If they really cared, they would give people credit for using GW on their water bill.  Since this is a money grab they are going to mandate it. 

Get you stocks warmed up...

drck1000

Re: Bill would require recycling of gray water
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2017, 08:23:40 AM »
Quite possibly because generally they don't flush either.  But maybe that's because at least half the deed didn't make it in the bowl anyway.....
If it's yellow, keep it mellow.  If it's brown, flush it down.

I think that was from Camp Timberline.   ;D


In japan they use toilets with a hand washing faucet above the basin. When you flush it refills the tank through the faucet so basically you wash your hands after you flush with the water for the next flush.

For some reason we don't have these yet but it seems painfully stupid that we don't utilize such a system.
I've seen that.  The US could learn a lot from countries like Japan, China, etc where dense urban population is everyday life.  Eventually, you won't have space for things that we take for granted.  Such as having a lawn to play outside your house.