Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again (Read 156563 times)

aieahound

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #120 on: May 27, 2017, 06:15:37 PM »
There's no stopping it no matter what we do.

Climate change ? Guaranteed.
What's causing it? Nothing to do with the price of pickles. Can't stop the World.
Man-made Carbon contributing? (Not to mention tree chopping) Almost for sure.

"My friend says we're like
the dinosaurs,
Only we are
Doing ourselves in
Much faster than they
ever did.
.....
We'll make great pets."
- Porno for Pyros -

Equilibrium.
Modern Man has almost no concept of it.

Man is a locust upon the Earth,
And locusts only last for a cycle as they cannot be sustained.
The Earth will go on.
And we'll make great pets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #121 on: May 29, 2017, 09:48:05 PM »
Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat
May 19, 2015

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Updated data from NASA satellite instruments reveal the Earth’s polar ice caps have not receded at all since the
satellite instruments began measuring the ice caps in 1979. Since the end of 2012, moreover, total polar ice extent has
largely remained above the post-1979 average. The updated data contradict one of the most frequently asserted global
warming claims – that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to recede.

The timing of the 1979 NASA satellite instrument launch could not have been better for global warming alarmists. The
late 1970s marked the end of a 30-year cooling trend. As a result, the polar ice caps were quite likely more extensive than
they had been since at least the 1920s. Nevertheless, this abnormally extensive 1979 polar ice extent would appear to
be the “normal” baseline when comparing post-1979 polar ice extent.

Updated NASA satellite data show the polar ice caps remained at approximately their 1979 extent until the middle of the
last decade. Beginning in 2005, however, polar ice modestly receded for several years. By 2012, polar sea ice had receded
by approximately 10 percent from 1979 measurements. (Total polar ice area – factoring in both sea and land ice – had
receded by much less than 10 percent, but alarmists focused on the sea ice loss as “proof” of a global warming crisis.)

A 10-percent decline in polar sea ice is not very remarkable, especially considering the 1979 baseline was abnormally high
anyway. Regardless, global warming activists and a compliant news media frequently and vociferously claimed the modest
polar ice cap retreat was a sign of impending catastrophe. Al Gore even predicted the Arctic ice cap could completely disappear
by 2014.

In late 2012, however, polar ice dramatically rebounded and quickly surpassed the post-1979 average. Ever since, the polar
ice caps have been at a greater average extent than the post-1979 mean.

Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average.

During the modest decline in 2005 through 2012, the media presented a daily barrage of melting ice cap stories. Since the
ice caps rebounded – and then some – how have the media reported the issue?


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#64808dd52892
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #123 on: May 29, 2017, 09:54:26 PM »
Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat
May 19, 2015


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#64808dd52892

sometimes the truth is SO inconvenient...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #124 on: May 29, 2017, 09:57:17 PM »
You stuff is misleading.  I give it "Fake news" title.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/05/27/climate-skeptics-think-you-shouldnt-worry-about-melting-polar-ice-heres-why-theyre-wrong/

My stuff?  My name isn't Huffington Post.  Maybe you can try to discredit them since they are such a Right-Wing friendly source?   

Oh, wait! ...    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


And WaPo is so much more reliable.  They NEVER print fake news.

Oh, wait .......    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #125 on: May 29, 2017, 09:58:38 PM »
You stuff is misleading.  I give it "Fake news" title.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/05/27/climate-skeptics-think-you-shouldnt-worry-about-melting-polar-ice-heres-why-theyre-wrong/

how ironic that you state something is fake news and cite the source that is the king of fake news...

omnigun

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #126 on: May 30, 2017, 03:38:28 PM »
Blindly calling a site fake news without looking at the facts.  Oh you guys keep up the ignorance.   Hope the earth lasts long enough till you open your minds.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #127 on: May 30, 2017, 04:31:06 PM »
Blindly calling a site fake news without looking at the facts.  Oh you guys keep up the ignorance.   Hope the earth lasts long enough till you open your minds.

If by "Open Mind" you mean one that's full of holes like yours, you can keep it!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #128 on: May 30, 2017, 06:38:37 PM »
Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat
May 19, 2015
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#64808dd52892
Here's what I've seen with my eyes about climate change. Visited the Blue Glacier in Alaska. From the parking lot to the edge of the glacier, there are signs that mark the location of the edge over the past century. I can see that each decade becomes closer and closer meaning the melting rate has dramatically increased. The Earth has been warming since the last ice age 10,000 years ago. The question is how much has industry impacted the rate of warming.

I believe it's a question of balance and spreading the pollution around so the earth can reabsorb the chemicals. It's not like we're importing CO2 from Mars.  "The solution to pollution is dilution." I heard a report about how land owners can be paid by industrial emitters for carbon credits. Traditionally, the only way an owner of forested land could make money is if he sells the trees to a timber mill. Instead, the owner make money off not cutting the trees and potentially earn faster than the trees can grow back. There are innovative solutions out there. It's just a matter of finding them like Trump promised.
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
https://ronsreloading.wordpress.com/

punaperson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #129 on: May 31, 2017, 10:35:42 AM »
Multinational Banks and Corporations Trigger Immediate Angst Over Trump Withdrawal From Paris Treaty…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/31/multinational-banks-and-corporations-trigger-immediate-angst-over-trump-withdrawal-from-paris-treaty/

Excerpt:

Every word we read, every corporate broadcast, every espoused punditry opinion, every angle that’s visible, everything surrounding the Paris Climate “Treaty”, All.Of.It., is driven by multinational banks and corporations who have a vested financial interest.

The Paris Climate Treaty has nothing to do with “climate” and everything possible to do with economics, globalism and the controlled redistribution of economic wealth as constructed through decades of advanced policies of multinational financial interests.

There are factually TRILLIONS of dollars at stake.

When you consider the pontificating pearl-clutching from the financial and industrial elites, ask yourself this very basic question:

If Elon Musk (Tesla), Tim Cook (Apple), Larry Page (google), Mark Zuckerberg (facebook), or any of the myriad of multinational executives really cared about “climate change”, then why are they doing business in China?

The primary concern for every affiliated entity surrounds economics, not climate.  “Climate” issues are the Trojan horse, the false ruse, the talking point, the scheme to get economic systems in place -yes, political systems- to control the distributive flow of larger economic wealth within all nations.  Period.

What ObamaCare was to your loss of healthcare individualism, so too is the Paris Treaty a political tool to deconstruct national economic individualism.  FULL-STOP.

omnigun

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #130 on: May 31, 2017, 11:36:09 AM »
Multinational Banks and Corporations Trigger Immediate Angst Over Trump Withdrawal From Paris Treaty…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/31/multinational-banks-and-corporations-trigger-immediate-angst-over-trump-withdrawal-from-paris-treaty/

Excerpt:

Every word we read, every corporate broadcast, every espoused punditry opinion, every angle that’s visible, everything surrounding the Paris Climate “Treaty”, All.Of.It., is driven by multinational banks and corporations who have a vested financial interest.

The Paris Climate Treaty has nothing to do with “climate” and everything possible to do with economics, globalism and the controlled redistribution of economic wealth as constructed through decades of advanced policies of multinational financial interests.

There are factually TRILLIONS of dollars at stake.

When you consider the pontificating pearl-clutching from the financial and industrial elites, ask yourself this very basic question:

If Elon Musk (Tesla), Tim Cook (Apple), Larry Page (google), Mark Zuckerberg (facebook), or any of the myriad of multinational executives really cared about “climate change”, then why are they doing business in China?

The primary concern for every affiliated entity surrounds economics, not climate.  “Climate” issues are the Trojan horse, the false ruse, the talking point, the scheme to get economic systems in place -yes, political systems- to control the distributive flow of larger economic wealth within all nations.  Period.

What ObamaCare was to your loss of healthcare individualism, so too is the Paris Treaty a political tool to deconstruct national economic individualism.  FULL-STOP.


Hmmm everything in the world is about money, STOP THE PRESSES.  Green money > polluting money
Either you fund green energy or more coal.  Same money different locations.  One helps the environment one doesn't.

Inspector

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #131 on: May 31, 2017, 11:42:24 AM »
Trump Will Withdraw from the Paris Agreement. Good.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448133/paris-climate-agreement-iran-nuclear-deal-unratified-treaties-trump-should-leave?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Trending%20Email%20Reoccurring-%20Monday%20to%20Thursday%202017-05-31&utm_term=NR5PM%20Actives

"Meanwhile, the Paris Agreement has come under strong criticism as a costly, ineffective, and economically harmful approach to addressing alleged global warming. But there’s something else these agreements have in common: Both are treaties, but were deliberately negotiated by the Obama administration in a way that enabled it to evade the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that treaties be ratified by the Senate.

America’s Founding Fathers placed a high threshold to ratify treaties: two-thirds of the Senate must vote in favor. The reason is that treaties are major international agreements that legally bind our nation and its presidents long into the future. No president should have the power to make such commitments with just the stroke of his pen.

Meanwhile, the Paris Agreement has come under strong criticism as a costly, ineffective, and economically harmful approach to addressing alleged global warming. But there’s something else these agreements have in common: Both are treaties, but were deliberately negotiated by the Obama administration in a way that enabled it to evade the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that treaties be ratified by the Senate. America’s Founding Fathers placed a high threshold to ratify treaties: two-thirds of the Senate must vote in favor. The reason is that treaties are major international agreements that legally bind our nation and its presidents long into the future. No president should have the power to make such commitments with just the stroke of his pen.

National Review’s Andrew McCarthy explained this in an April 2015 NRO article, writing that the Constitution “does not empower the president to make binding agreements with foreign countries all on his own — on the theory that the American people should not take on enforceable international obligations or see their sovereignty compromised absent approval by the elected representatives most directly accountable to them.”

Supporters of the JCPOA and the Paris Agreement argue that there is no clear definition of what constitutes a treaty. They also note that presidents frequently enter into major international agreements without submitting them for ratification by the Senate.

While these arguments have merit, they do not apply to the JCPOA and the Paris Agreement, because these are important pacts that have been treated like treaties by most other states. The Iranian Parliament ratified the JCPOA. The legislatures of over 128 Paris Agreement signatories have ratified that agreement, including those of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Mexico, and the U.K."

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #132 on: May 31, 2017, 11:49:11 AM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #133 on: May 31, 2017, 06:33:24 PM »
Any climate agreement has to figure out how to reduce China and India's carbon emissions before the US will commit to reducing or own emissions. Otherwise, the agreement is symbolic. My understanding is that the bulk of the carbon emission comes from these three countries. The EU and Russia are contenders. It's easier in Europe to agree to emission standards because they already can't put anything in their landfill without first having it certified as non-recyclable.
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
https://ronsreloading.wordpress.com/

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #134 on: May 31, 2017, 07:51:41 PM »
Any climate agreement has to figure out how to reduce China and India's carbon emissions before the US will commit to reducing or own emissions. Otherwise, the agreement is symbolic. My understanding is that the bulk of the carbon emission comes from these three countries. The EU and Russia are contenders. It's easier in Europe to agree to emission standards because they already can't put anything in their landfill without first having it certified as non-recyclable.

Before any agreements are made, there needs to be empirical, peer-reviewed evidence provided as to the impact of man-made carbon emissions relative to all other sources.

Until that happens, we're merely creating solutions in search of a problem -- solutions which have real negative impacts on economies and freedoms.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #135 on: May 31, 2017, 08:16:04 PM »
Before any agreements are made, there needs to be empirical, peer-reviewed evidence provided as to the impact of man-made carbon emissions relative to all other sources.

Until that happens, we're merely creating solutions in search of a problem -- solutions which have real negative impacts on economies and freedoms.

I'm sure the studies on how all the pollution we are pumping out is actually helping the earth and the environment.   :geekdanc: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

rklapp

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #136 on: June 01, 2017, 12:38:56 AM »
Before any agreements are made, there needs to be empirical, peer-reviewed evidence provided as to the impact of man-made carbon emissions relative to all other sources.
Until that happens, we're merely creating solutions in search of a problem -- solutions which have real negative impacts on economies and freedoms.
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Cool It Doc Slams Inconvenient Truth ‘Alarmists’
https://www.wired.com/2010/11/cool-it/
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
https://ronsreloading.wordpress.com/

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #137 on: June 01, 2017, 01:50:28 AM »
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Cool It Doc Slams Inconvenient Truth ‘Alarmists’
https://www.wired.com/2010/11/cool-it/


“Many well-meaning people and world leaders seem to want to be remembered for spending lots and lots of money for doing virtually no good.”

 :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #138 on: June 01, 2017, 02:02:25 AM »
The Paris climate accord is fueled by a lie. Kill it, then let's dance on its grave.

https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/870225168685088769

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson