kuleana, you logic and reason will not register with omnigun, because most of your examples happened more than a few years ago, and he does not believe that anything that happened before 2000 is relevant

Im fairly sure nato will side with USA on this "war".    Sure russia/china will support north korea to an extent.  The problem with the resolve of russia is that they were not in a remotly similar situation to north korea.  North korea is much worse. The USA wouldn't feed all of north korea there would be much international support.  Nato etc. China can not win a war with the USA period.  We have a better airforce and navy.  You are correct in that we will never win a ground war with china.  They have a population over a billion people.  But what we can do easily is destroy the infrastructure and cripple their military.  If they cant leave the land and cant import goods to the country its basically winning the war and waiting for them to surrender.  Or continue being useless. Either option is good.  ISIS is a horrible comparison to how the US can win conventional wars.  We absolutely destroyed and won with ease against iraq actual army.  Even operation desert storm we crushed them.  The occupation part is where we failed.  That is a whole different game cause there is no real target anymore.  Its citizens that turn to terrorism that is now the problem.  They don't wear uniforms or drive marked tanks/planes etc. General MacAurther was a good general but times change and technology now shapes war.  IF he had the tech we have now he would of won those wars. The simple fact that you can now precision bomb people with ease and destroy things from afar.  The fact that you can now with satellites see exact enemy movements and supply routes etc.  With the current tech we can't lose a conventional war with anyone.  Ground wars are a bit harder but just crippling the enemy till they are useless or surrender shouldn't be that hard. I will have to do more research on the food that part is hard cause its not something china would want anyone to know.

HAHAHAHA those shit submarines I doubt they could even make it to Hawaii.  With their level of maintenance only a few actually work.  And most wouldn't last.  If somehow they get here the tiny little nukes wouldn't do much.
https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
type in 7.8kt
Little tiny nuke would only be able to destroy ford island or something.

I see a lot of conjecture about whether we would go to war with China and/or North Korea. I want to give my opinion here. Please just remember this is only my opinion. I could be right and I can be wrong. We won't know unless something actually occurs.

I believe that a limited war between North Korea and the U.S. has a possibility of occurring.

Very Possible.


Probably due to an attack on South Korea and/or Japan and our having to come to the defense of the either/both. Yes, NK would be stupid to try anything against SK/Japan and possibly the U.S. Nobody said their leader is a smart person.

Or possibly due to a failed covert joint US/ROK/Japan military or assassination attempt.


We will retaliate and will not use any type of nuclear weapons unless WMD's are used first by NK. And we will not use nukes unless the WMD by NK can be verified without question.

I agree.


But here is what I believe will actually happen. If NK pursues a war against one of our allies (or us) China will most certainly step in as they do not want U.S./SK/Japanese troops so close to their border. Also, they don't want a nuclear device detonated close to their border. They can stop NK if they want to. And I believe they will when/if the time comes. Why do something now when they can learn so much about how and how quickly we react/respond to threats by letting NK tighten their own noose. Then they will step in and play the hero and we will give them more trade. Also, China will not risk a war with the U.S. as approximately 20% of their economy relies on U.S. consumers.

Excellent hypothetical analysis.


And Europe makes up even a larger percentage of their economy. If nato allies stop buying from China along with the U.S we can hurt their economy and possibly cripple them.

I don't think NATO can dictate to their member states who they can do business or not.  Even if its true, China will make more money on the eventual European Black Market as does illegal drugs.


Especially if we freeze their assets in all nato countries. That is huge.

An act like that would force a possible dumping of US Treasuries and Bonds that would crash the US Dollar and plunge everyone into a WROL level global financial meltdown/depression.


China might not be our friend. But they are not stupid enough to risk a war with us.

They will fight any nation that threatens their economic growth, as the US or any other nation would do in that situation.

JMHO

How delusional you Are.  It only takes 1 submarine to put a nuke into he entrance to Pearl Harbor and the harbor is closed. The fallout alone would kill 10's of thousands in Honolulu.

Yeah a proper sized nuke from Russia or US could annihilate the whole island.  Relatively the NK nukes are puny and worthless.  Sure maybe 10k people might die which is a small amount of our total population.  Nuking the entrance to Pearl Harbor won't close the harbor longer than maybe a week when the main fallout isn't completely lethal.  Bombs don't tend to block open entrances.  At this point the only viable thread of nuclear attack is china whos nukes are fairly large too. Enough to kill half the population of oahu fairly easily.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear you're channeling EEF when you type!

Again, Delusional.

OMNIGUN:

If I didn't know better, I'd swear you're channeling EEF when you type!

 

Not sure who is going to respond first, Omni or EEF? 

Why do you folks even bother?

We're so blessed to have such knowledgeable folks here that know the true capabilities of NK, the tactical uses for nukes, etc. They know what they know, don't confuse them with the facts...




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