OMNIGUN:

For someone who claims to be a scientist (at heart or otherwise). the replies in this thread have shown ZERO scientific knowledge or even common facts.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear you're channeling EEF when you type!

 

hmmm I could swear that I posted a nukemap with the exact fallout and destruction that a puny NK would do.  He said Pearl Harbor.  I think you are the one who can't click links or read.  Not my fault anything you don't personally agree with is FAKE science.

As for the "facts"  Through testing you know the scientific kind we are fairly sure what size nukes NK has been testing.  That's why I have the 7.8kt figure.  Now a nuke airburst as everyone somehow believes NK can pull off properly in Pearl Harbor entrance will kill an estimated 1.4k people according to the nukemap site.  It will not clog the harbor, the major radiation issues decay over time and after a few weeks it will be non lethal. 

You're right. I know everything about NK and their true capabilities. But I'm not telling..... 

Shhh... be vewwwy, vewwwy quiet!

I mean I get that it's fun to an extent to speculate and such on stuff like this. That said, it really is useless to discuss some things with some folks here.


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Shhh... be vewwwy, vewwwy quiet!

I mean I get that it's fun to an extent to speculate and such on stuff like this. That said, it really is useless to discuss some things with some folks here.


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Have you seen that wascally wabbit?

Yeah, I know what you mean. I have given up. Now I just sit back and watch others try and make sense of it all. With a big tub of popcorn.

Entrance to Pearl = .5 miles



6KT nuke (as tested by NK in 2006) in the entrance, ground burst



As you can see the 2 line up almost as if they were made for each other. The damage to the harbor, Especially if theyany ship was in transition at the time would make the harbor un-navigable, Not to mention the radiation contamination, The destruction/damage/contamination  of the HNL airport, Hickham AFB, Pearl Harbor shipyards, Pacific fleet command, HNL city,

A second bomb of a similar size would also clost Honolulu harbor,


And this dosent even factor into account the fact that they could destroy almost all of Hawaii by using a nuke on the big island. This could create a landslide that would cause a tsunami that would wipe out the hole island change.

As you can see the 2 line up almost as if they were made for each other. The damage to the harbor, Especially if theyany ship was in transition at the time would make the harbor un-navigable, Not to mention the radiation contamination, The destruction/damage/contamination  of the HNL airport, Hickham AFB, Pearl Harbor shipyards, Pacific fleet command, HNL city,

A second bomb of a similar size would also clost Honolulu harbor,

And this dosent even factor into account the fact that they could destroy almost all of Hawaii by using a nuke on the big island. This could create a landslide that would cause a tsunami that would wipe out the hole island change.

Simple difference in size of explotions and people killed, hence puny little NK nukes.


citation needed for the big island claim.  I highly doubt that's possible.

What you fail to figure out is a ground burst of a nuke in that entrance won't magically close it.  You know bombs makes debree and matter go away from the focal point right?  If anything it would make the entrance larger (it won't).  Raditation would shut us down for a few weeks, correct.  The airport might be down for repairs for a few weeks.  The actual ships if the entrance of the harbor is nuked won't all be destroyed.  If for some reason the entrance is damaged by a bomb that is designed to disburse matter in all directions away from the center clogs the harbor its not the end of the world it can be cleared.  What I am saying is if NK nuked us it would not be the end of the world.  Me and you would most likely live.  The US wouldn't be destroyed and life would go on in a matter of months.

Your little round circles are for immediate effect and dont take into account wind and tide.

Also why are you talking about air burst ? im talking about a nuclear torpedo or a set charge, Both of these would be detonated under water creating a higher pressure causing damage to the infrastructure and cut entrance to pearl harbor, Not to mention the damage caused by the the tsunami it would generate. The damage to pearl harbor real would be beyond a week or two of clean uip, The harbor would be out of commission for years and would cost BILLIONS in clean up and rebuilding.

A nuclear device detonated on the slopes of Mauna Loa, (could) cause a landslide that would cause a Mega tsunami.  Even the USA has been playing with the idea of Tsunami Bombs designed to cause tsunamis to destroy coastal citys.



http://www.livescience.com/25949-tsunami-bomb.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/9774217/Tsunami-bomb-tested-off-New-Zealand-coast.html

Your little round circles are for immediate effect and dont take into account wind and tide.

Also why are you talking about air burst ? im talking about a nuclear torpedo or a set charge, Both of these would be detonated under water creating a higher pressure causing damage to the infrastructure and cut entrance to pearl harbor, Not to mention the damage caused by the the tsunami it would generate. The damage to pearl harbor real would be beyond a week or two of clean uip, The harbor would be out of commission for years and would cost BILLIONS in clean up and rebuilding.

You know the entrance to the harbor is essentially a hole right? Bombs make holes larger.  We don't need some sort of complex system of concrete and stuff to sail out of the harbor like the panama canal.  Yes the high pressure would cause damage and small tsunami too.  But I highly doubt it would destroy all of our infrastructure and ships. Fall out dissipates fairly quickly for the immediate lethal stuff.  Trade winds actually blow the stuff away from us in the current Pearl harbor location.  What I am saying is I would much rather get hit by NK tiny little nuke than china or russia which as you can see from my map would basically kill everyone on oahu.

A nuclear device detonated on the slopes of Mauna Loa, (could) cause a landslide that would cause a Mega tsunami.  Even the USA has been playing with the idea of Tsunami Bombs designed to cause tsunamis to destroy coastal citys.



http://www.livescience.com/25949-tsunami-bomb.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/9774217/Tsunami-bomb-tested-off-New-Zealand-coast.html

That would require NK be able to percussion detonate a bomb underground something well beyond their capabilities.  Even then its not guaranteed.  People been saying California will fall into the sea too but that hasn't happened yet.

A nuclear device detonated on the slopes of Mauna Loa, (could) cause a landslide that would cause a Mega tsunami.  Even the USA has been playing with the idea of Tsunami Bombs designed to cause tsunamis to destroy coastal citys.



http://www.livescience.com/25949-tsunami-bomb.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/9774217/Tsunami-bomb-tested-off-New-Zealand-coast.html

I have been watching  the slopes of Mauna Loa very carefully since I found out the CD and others were preparing for this tsunami to occur as  NATURAL event.
The timeline of 30-33 minutes to impact may be correct, but they (CD) say it would be more like a 8-10 minute notice for Oahu !   
This is the main reason our BOBs and other "getaway" supplies are packed they way they are.

That would require NK be able to percussion detonate a bomb underground something well beyond their capabilities.  Even then its not guaranteed.  People been saying California will fall into the sea too but that hasn't happened yet.

No it wouldn't, the slopes are new rock on old rock, it's like putting sand on a concrete ramp, a jolt will cause it all to slide off.

I have been watching  the slopes of Mauna Loa very carefully since I found out the CD and others were preparing for this tsunami to occur as  NATURAL event.
The timeline of 30-33 minutes to impact may be correct, but they (CD) say it would be more like a 8-10 minute notice for Oahu !   
This is the main reason our BOBs and other "getaway" supplies are packed they way they are.

Yep, if you feel an earthquake on Oahu you get ready to toll out, even with a 30miniut travel time it will take them 10-30 minutes to work out what's happening and sound the alarms.

No it wouldn't, the slopes are new rock on old rock, it's like putting sand on a concrete ramp, a jolt will cause it all to slide off.

There has been quakes larger than NK test nukes (more energy) and the slope hasn't fallen off yet.  NK also tests their nukes underground which cause much more seismic energy. I highly doubt an above ground detonation would do anything.  Plus north korea doesn't have the capabilities that I know of launching a missile from a sub to a land target.

Yep, if you feel an earthquake on Oahu you get ready to toll out, even with a 30miniut travel time it will take them 10-30 minutes to work out what's happening and sound the alarms.

If I am at work I die,  If I'm at home I can sit back and relax. 50/50 lol

These North Korea Attack Deniers are laughable!  The  technology and capabilities to deliver ANY ordinance exists today.  It doesn't require  one nation to develop their own if another nation (or terror organization) is willing to trade/sell/give them one -- or many.

Arguing that a country doesn't possess a certain type of WMD today is shortsighted and naive.

There has been quakes larger than NK test nukes (more energy) and the slope hasn't fallen off yet.  NK also tests their nukes underground which cause much more seismic energy. I highly doubt an above ground detonation would do anything.  Plus north korea doesn't have the capabilities that I know of launching a missile from a sub to a land target.

If I am at work I die,  If I'm at home I can sit back and relax. 50/50 lol

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/02/13/North-Korea-launch-was-upgraded-sub-launched-missile/6091486996285/

A surface strike is a very different type of confusion wave then an earthquake.

That would require NK be able to percussion detonate a bomb underground something well beyond their capabilities.  Even then its not guaranteed.  People been saying California will fall into the sea too but that hasn't happened yet.

man, i hope omnigun is a speaker at this tomorrow...

https://ndptc.hawaii.edu/news/PRiMO17_Community_Night_Flyer/

These North Korea Attack Deniers are laughable!  The  technology and capabilities to deliver ANY ordinance exists today.  It doesn't require  one nation to develop their own if another nation (or terror organization) is willing to trade/sell/give them one -- or many.

Arguing that a country doesn't possess a certain type of WMD today is shortsighted and naive.

With that logic you must be really scared of your neighbor Joe Bob and his cache of WMD's.  Cause clearly anyone can get em. 

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/02/13/North-Korea-launch-was-upgraded-sub-launched-missile/6091486996285/

A surface strike is a very different type of confusion wave then an earthquake.

We still arn't 100% sure what it was.  Many of their tests fail.  I would not put much faith that everything will work perfectly for their plan to ever work if they wanted to do it.  Then if everything did work perfectly that the big island would break off and slide into the sea as planned too.  Much like I don't fear being struck by lightning.

With that logic you must be really scared of your neighbor Joe Bob and his cache of WMD's.  Cause clearly anyone can get em.

Did I say that?

We still arn't 100% sure what it was.  Many of their tests fail.  I would not put much faith that everything will work perfectly for their plan to ever work if they wanted to do it.  Then if everything did work perfectly that the big island would break off and slide into the sea as planned too.  Much like I don't fear being struck by lightning.

Lightning also has a better chance of hitting you than all the climate change disasters you're terrified of.

It's all relative.