North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii (Read 230376 times)

Inspector

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #200 on: April 15, 2017, 03:54:18 PM »
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

omnigun

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #201 on: April 15, 2017, 05:20:29 PM »
haha though i think we should still bomb em

Inspector

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #202 on: April 15, 2017, 06:08:20 PM »
Personally, I think the way Trump is handling it, is genius. Because he is putting the burden and the cost of dealing with NK on the backs of the Chinese. If they fail then we still have a military choice. It is better that China deals with them, if they can. JMHO
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

zippz

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #203 on: April 15, 2017, 06:11:49 PM »
North Korea missile test: Latest launch 'blew up almost immediately'

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/15/north-korea-missile-test-latest-launch-blew-up-almost-immediately.html

Not a test launch.  Lil Kim strapped someone to the missile and made it explode.  Just executing another relative again.

Kuleana

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #204 on: April 15, 2017, 09:02:33 PM »
Personally, I think the way Trump is handling it, is genius. Because he is putting the burden and the cost of dealing with NK on the backs of the Chinese. If they fail then we still have a military choice. It is better that China deals with them, if they can. JMHO

China is the only country that can and should be the nation to deal with the DPRK.  The US should not miscalculate as they did in 1950 in the Korean War.

Kuleana

zippz

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #205 on: April 15, 2017, 09:36:55 PM »
I agree China should be the one and isn't doing enough.  The only reason China cares about NK is for border protection.

I don't think NK will ever intentionally start a war.  I think they will be reckless and stupid where one of their missiles unintentionally hits Japan or Hawaii.   They're so stubborn where they'll say it was intentional instead of a mistake.  US goes to war and China backs up NK again.

RSN172

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #206 on: April 15, 2017, 09:37:52 PM »
Problem with Korean and Vietnam "conflicts" is the word I believe was used, is that the US did not fight to win, but merely chased the enemy back to their side of the border. 
Happily living in Puna

Bunker

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #207 on: April 15, 2017, 10:13:40 PM »
The US should not miscalculate as they did in 1950 in the Korean War.

Kuleana


What do you mean by miscalculate as they did in 1950 in the Korean War? This was a very delicate situation at the time that involved the US and the Soviets. The big concern for the US was the Soviets, not the Chinese. 

Since the beginning of the 20th century, Korea had been part of the Japanese empire, and North and South was divided at the 38th parallel as a result of a post WWII agreement between the Soviets and United States. Soviet backed DPRK soldiers were the aggressors who rolled into Seoul with about $75,000 soldiers, and that's when we got involved. I agree that we could have done more to end this war sooner if that's what you mean but our involvement in some capacity was inevitable.

In April 1950, a National Security Council report (NSC-68) had recommended that the United States use military force to “contain” communist expansionism anywhere it seemed to be occurring, “regardless of the intrinsic strategic or economic value of the lands in question.” Nonintervention was not considered an option by many top decision makers. At the time it was all about not allowing the expansion of Communism.

At first, the war was a defensive one -- a war to get the communists out of South Korea, and it went badly for the Allies. By the end of the summer of 1950, President Truman and General Douglas MacArthur (Commander in Charge of the Asian theater) had decided on a new strategy. Now, for the Allies, the Korean War was an offensive one: It was a war to “liberate” the North from the communists. Initially, this new strategy was a success. An amphibious assault at Inchon pushed the North Koreans out of Seoul and back to their side of the 38th parallel. But as American troops crossed the boundary and headed north toward the Yalu River, the border between North Korea and Communist China, the Chinese started to worry about protecting themselves from what they called “armed aggression against Chinese territory.” Chinese leader Mao Zedong sent troops to North Korea and warned the US to keep away from the Yalu boundary unless it wanted full-scale war.

This was something that President Truman and his advisers decidedly did not want: They were sure that such a war would lead to Soviet aggression in Europe, the deployment of atomic weapons and millions of senseless deaths. To General MacArthur, however, anything short of this wider war represented “appeasement,” an unacceptable knuckling under to the communists.

Possibly this is another part you may have been referring to but MacArthur was fired as a result: As President Truman looked for a way to prevent war with the Chinese, MacArthur did all he could to provoke it. Finally, in March 1951, he sent a letter to Joseph Martin, a House Republican leader who shared MacArthur’s support for declaring all-out war on China–and who could be counted upon to leak the letter to the press. “There is,” MacArthur wrote, “no substitute for victory” against international communism. For Truman, this letter was the last straw. On April 11, the president fired the general for insubordination. (REF: History - Korean War)

Bunker

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #208 on: April 15, 2017, 10:48:55 PM »
I agree China should be the one and isn't doing enough.  The only reason China cares about NK is for border protection.

I don't think NK will ever intentionally start a war.  I think they will be reckless and stupid where one of their missiles unintentionally hits Japan or Hawaii.   They're so stubborn where they'll say it was intentional instead of a mistake.  US goes to war and China backs up NK again.

No missile from DPRK will successfully hit Japan or the US (to include Hawaii), even if the knucklehead launches one, intensionally or unintentionally. The Bi-Lateral BMDS (Ballistic Missile Defense System) within the USPACOM AOR (United States Pacific Command -- Area of Responsibility) will successfully destroy any BM (ballistic missile) the DPRK can launch, regardless of payload or BM trajectories, which are divided into three phases of flight (boost, midcourse, terminal). Each element in the BMDS plays an critical role to defend against hostile missiles in any phase of flight. The threat of a missile attack from DPRK is always a fear regardless of defensive measures in place. The real concern is what our response would be and the implication of our actions.

Kuleana

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #209 on: April 15, 2017, 10:57:25 PM »
What do you mean by miscalculate as they did in 1950 in the Korean War? This was a very delicate situation at the time that involved the US and the Soviets. The big concern for the US was the Soviets, not the Chinese. 


What I meant was that MacArthur severely underestimated the conventional military might of the Chinese PLA.  He really thought he could just steam roll the PLA all the way to Beijing.  When the war in North Korea became a stalemate, despite the air, sea, and artillery superiority US forces possessed, that was when he advocated the use of atomic weapons against China. 

Please read the following article at http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/9245.  It is an interesting read and can explain the historical reasons as to why the DPRK is so fixated in acquiring nuclear weapons.  You will find that the DPRK already had a long history of being bombarded by WMDs from the US during the Korean War.

As for the current crises, the Trump Administration might be miscalculating the importance of the DPRK to China.  China does not want a nuclearized Korean peninsula, but does want a stable DPRK.


Kuleana

Bunker

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #210 on: April 15, 2017, 11:35:58 PM »
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What do you mean by miscalculate as they did in 1950 in the Korean War? This was a very delicate situation at the time that involved the US and the Soviets. The big concern for the US was the Soviets, not the Chinese. 


What I meant was that MacArthur severely underestimated the conventional military might of the Chinese PLA.  He really thought he could just steam roll the PLA all the way to Beijing.  When the war in North Korea became a stalemate, despite the air, sea, and artillery superiority US forces possessed, that was when he advocated the use of atomic weapons against China. 

Please read the following article at http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/9245.  It is an interesting read and can explain the historical reasons as to why the DPRK is so fixated in acquiring nuclear weapons.  You will find that the DPRK already had a long history of being bombarded by WMDs from the US during the Korean War.

As for the current crises, the Trump Administration might be miscalculating the importance of the DPRK to China.  China does not want a nuclearized Korean peninsula, but does want a stable DPRK.
Kuleana

Thanks...I figured you may have been referring to MacArthur and his desire. I agree with your comment about the current situation. I think the problem is that the knucklehead doesn't necessarily listen to China, which leads to problems. After all nothing has seemed to deter DPRK's advancement of nuclear weapons and delivery systems. 

Kuleana

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #211 on: April 16, 2017, 07:20:57 AM »


Thanks...I figured you may have been referring to MacArthur and his desire. I agree with your comment about the current situation. I think the problem is that the knucklehead doesn't necessarily listen to China, which leads to problems. After all nothing has seemed to deter DPRK's advancement of nuclear weapons and delivery systems.

Exactly, China is really stuck.  China agrees with the rest of the World that President Kim needs to go, but will not tolerate a US-led military solution due to the humanitarian and power vacuum it will cause as well as the highly probable escalation that can engulf surrounding nations into WWIII.

Kuleana

Rocky

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #212 on: April 16, 2017, 10:14:13 AM »
:stopjack: :stopjack: :stopjack:

Here is an interesting article that is on topic...

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/35152446/hawaii-panel-asks-state-to-prepare-for-north-korea-attack?utm_content=buffer1cb0d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Wait, the stadium as an emergency backup container lay down area in case Pearl, a (THE PRIMARY TARGET) or any other base gets hit with a nuke and is unusable ?  :wacko:
Isn't the stadium like 550 yards from Pearl Harbor waters ?  :wave:

Who 's the gee-knee-ass' in our senate writing this one up ?  :crazy:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
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RSN172

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #213 on: April 16, 2017, 06:06:29 PM »
That is another way for the state to waste their limited funds.   Worrying about N Korean missiles.  They are years away from building a missile to even reach Hawaii and much less so to be accurate enough to hit any island while carrying a nuclear warhead.  It is not something I worry about or lose even a minute's sleep about.
Happily living in Puna

punaperson

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #214 on: April 16, 2017, 09:15:33 PM »
That is another way for the state to waste their limited funds.   Worrying about N Korean missiles.  They are years away from building a missile to even reach Hawaii and much less so to be accurate enough to hit any island while carrying a nuclear warhead.  It is not something I worry about or lose even a minute's sleep about.
Hey, no worries, there's more where that came from. Check you pockets. Or your bank account. Hey, if you can pay for 50,000 HPD man hours per year (on Oahu alone) to assure "public safety" via firearms registration (which didn't result in one single crime being solved using registration data), another pile of cash down the toilet to provide an illusion of security from the nuclear missile attack is child's play for our politicians.

punaperson

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #215 on: April 17, 2017, 03:24:06 PM »
Currently the lead headline article at Foxnews.com:

HAWAII HUNKERS DOWN
North Korea tensions have pols revisiting emergency attack plans




Link to the actual story, which is a minimally-revised rehash of the local story of last week by Malia Ziommerman (no mention of Tulsi Gabbard calling for Hawaii getting a missile defense system...):

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/17/north-korea-tensions-have-hawaii-pols-revisiting-emergency-attack-plans.html
« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 03:51:46 PM by punaperson »

RSN172

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #216 on: April 17, 2017, 04:38:32 PM »
Pure silliness.  Watching Fox News right now and it was mentioned  that 4 out of the last 5 mid range missile tests failed shortly after take off.  S Korea should be worried because they are so close, but Hawaii?  I am more concerned about having an adequate supply of good toilet paper to wipe my ass than N Korea.
Happily living in Puna

punaperson

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #217 on: April 17, 2017, 05:33:17 PM »
Pure silliness.  Watching Fox News right now and it was mentioned  that 4 out of the last 5 mid range missile tests failed shortly after take off.  S Korea should be worried because they are so close, but Hawaii?  I am more concerned about having an adequate supply of good toilet paper to wipe my ass than N Korea.
From the way Pence was speaking over there today in Seoul, it sounds like it's possible that the U.S. will be wiping it's ass with North Korea if the "stupid fat kid" crosses some line or other.

punaperson

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #218 on: April 26, 2017, 08:08:19 AM »
Testimony today before Congress by an Admiral...

http://news.trust.org/item/20170426161755-k74pb

U.S. may need stronger defense against North Korea missiles -admiral

Excerpts:

The United States may need to strengthen its missile defenses, particularly in Hawaii, given the advancing threat from North Korea's missile and nuclear weapons programs, the top U.S. commander in the Pacific told Congress on Wednesday.

Just hours before the entire U.S. Senate was due to receive a top-level briefing on North Korea at the White House, Admiral Harry Harris testified that he believed Pyongyang's threats against the United States needed to be taken seriously.

Harris said the defenses of Hawaii were sufficient for now but could one day be overwhelmed, and suggested studying stationing new radar there as well as interceptors to knock out any incoming North Korean missiles.

"I don't share your confidence that North Korea is not going to attack either South Korea, or Japan, or the United States ... once they have the capability," Harris told a lawmaker at one point.

punaperson

Re: North Korea Could Soon Launch Attack on Hawaii
« Reply #219 on: May 02, 2017, 07:20:32 AM »
Hide behind your car? This'd be funny if it weren't so stupid. The government "authorities" should just admit "If we're attacked my nukes of sufficient power and accuracy most people are gonna die and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. And the following days and weeks will be really really ugly."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/02/hawaii-preparation-for-north-korea-nuke-attack-far-from-complete.html

Hawaii preparation for North Korea nuke attack far from complete

Kailua, a beach community on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, has everything that residents and visitors could want from a tropical paradise: exquisite beaches, crystal clear water and modern amenities. No wonder it now boasts nearly 55,000 residents and thousands of yearly tourists, including the Obamas.

But one thing this paradise doesn’t have is an adequate number of fallout shelters – there are only three with enough room for 235 people -- in case North Korea launches an intercontinental ballistic missile or nuclear attack.

People who are home or in a building that is not close to a designated shelter should go to a basement, the center of the structure or behind concrete or a dirt mound, anything with density. Anyone stuck on the freeway should pull over and get behind their car.