lol, you are not keeping score very well or mentioning that no one else has presented or uploaded any highly credible sources to justify their positions.

Please define your understanding of "many", and provide a statistical or mathematical quantity for the volume of info you claim came from "conspiracy sites."

That's a typical deflection Liberals use, just like the "common sense" fallacy previously pointed out.  You can't toss out words like "many" and "conspiracy sites" as if it's fact and have no idea how to quantify it.

Funny how you don't have time the research everything you post, yet you somehow believe everything you argue for is fact or truth or knowledge.

 

A free trade agreement is not a peace or non-aggression pact. Almost every country an imperial power conquers starts off with normal trade. Then they realize, "Hey, wait a second, we can just take this stuff!" and they do. I'm sorry, but you seem to be under the false impression that the world is fair and peaceful. "No Gun Zone" signs don't work, nor does simply declaring sovereignty without the means to back it up. Besides, what's to say Hawaii wouldn't have almost immediately regressed to island vs. island warfare? Besides, what the "Sovereign Hawaii" people  don't want to ever talk about is that Kamehameha got in bed with the Americans for their arms and technologies- the arms he used to conquer the other islands. If it weren't for the Americans, Hawaii would have never been unified in the first place. All in all, no matter how you look at it, Hawaii was simply too primitive while being too strategically and resourcefully important.

First of all, Kamehameha I did not seek help from the Americans, he received help from the British to unify the islands.  The Americans did not come into play until they illegally annexed Hawaii in 1898.


As for London808 being speculative, no, in the 21st century: plenty of native peoples have been displaced in S. America, Russia has annexed Crimea, China would have taken over a lot of the S. China sea if it weren't for the U.S., Pakistan and India still are fighting over Kashmir, Turkey and others continue to occupy Kurdish territory, etc. Besides, if colonization stopped, it wasn't for any moral reasons, it was simply because there was no more worthwhile territory to be had.

First of all, Russia did not annex Crimea, the Crimean people held a referendum to secede from Ukraine.  Second, China could have taken all of Southeast Asia for itself long before America was a nation, but never did.  Colonization of the planet loss it flavor because it became more profitable to make those nations dependent on the major countries than financially administer them outright.


Kuleana

lol, you are not keeping score very well or mentioning that no one else has presented or uploaded any highly credible sources to justify their positions.

I have no documents proving the non-existence of ICBMs in Hawaii, but I do have historical publications listing the locations of actual ICBM silos in the US throughout the Cold War.  By logical deductive reasoning, it is provable that operational ICBM silos did not exist in Hawaii --- ever.

You maybe right, but you are still making an assumption that those historical publications are telling the whole truth.  By the way, who published those documents you reference?


You have no documentation to the contrary, even though you stated ICBMs in fact existed here.

True, it is my contention that awaits to be disproved.


Can't argue with a brick wall.  Either you understand logic and reality, or you prefer to believe in imaginary missiles.

Your logical reasoning in this matter does not mean truth, it just means your contention has evidence, which does not automatically disprove the alternative view.


Kuleana

sorry, you made the claim that there still are icbms, then said there were in the cold war, than backtracked three times, and cited "peace magazine"
and yet you are asking us for government documentation

once again, you made the original statements, it's on you to provide support other than uncited reading material

no one needs to disprove you, you have yet to prove anything

that's why i said you might as well have said there are UFOs stored on bases on oahu

Sure after complaining about not having enough time or effort to look everything up let me go ahead and find every past post everyone here and compile a database for which comes from "conspiracy sites"  I do however think I remember you using infowars before.  And i know you do believe in many retarded conspiracies from previous arguments.

Its like you didn't even read what I wrote...sigh....inb4 people flame but 90%+ of scientists believe in climate change.   That's "many" or the majority. You don't need to have perfection arguments to argue every topic.  But when you have major scientific consensus that's normally good enough for most people.

The documents are public record based on the nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear weapon free zone treaties.

Great!  Let's pray the US Government is not lying about what they reported.


Kuleana

Great!  Let's pray the US Government is not lying about what they reported.

You seem to have a tendency to make statements without any supporting facts as if simply typing adds validity.

Unless you have evidence the government is lying, why even make that statement? 

Your irrational fears continue to show ....

No one has yet provided any official government documentation to the contrary.

Kuleana

you asked for government documentation, then when you get it, you say they can be lying?

wow, just wow

Because the US Government has been caught lying to its citizens before.  The Gulf of Tonkin incident that led to America's full involvement in the Vietnam War and Saddam's weapons of mass destruction that led to the disastrous invasion of Iraq in 2003 comes to mind.


Kuleana

Yes.

I am not saying everything the government issues is a lie, but it would be naïve for anyone to blindly accept everything from the government at face value.

The local Hawaii government reports that the rail is the best thing for Hawaii to ease the commuting from Kapolei to Honolulu.  Do you believe in their report on that matter?

I try to read what you write, but it's so full of incorrect spellings, word usage, horrible grammar and false facts, it's often difficult to decipher if you're as stupid as you seem, of if it's being compounded by a lack of communication skills.

If a "conspiracy site" publishes that Hillary and those on her staff transmitted classified to her own illegal server and to people not authorized to receive it, as was later proven by the FBI, does that make the facts part of a "conspiracy theory"?   Do you summarily refuse to believe anything on infowars simply because it's there, with no care taken to verify the facts?

You're the very definition of "narrow minded."  If it doesn't fit your world view and is accepted by those you trust as "authorities", you dismiss it out of hand.  That's called being prejudiced.  Liberals do that alot.

Because the US Government has been caught lying to its citizens before.  The Gulf of Tonkin incident that led to America's full involvement in the Vietnam War and Saddam's weapons of mass destruction that led to the disastrous invasion of Iraq in 2003 comes to mind.


Kuleana

Because the US Government has been caught lying to its citizens before.  The Gulf of Tonkin incident that led to America's full involvement in the Vietnam War and Saddam's weapons of mass destruction that led to the disastrous invasion of Iraq in 2003 comes to mind.


Kuleana

Twice a day a broken clock is right. Same with info wars....some stuff might be correct....much like salon might have correct info once in a while.  Doesn't make it the norm. I find that when you said "authorities" its was funniest shit I heard this week, after constantly only citing TRUMP as your sole reference to many things this whole week.