Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW (Read 14797 times)

zippz

Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« on: April 12, 2017, 05:25:31 PM »
I believe US Rep Tulsi Gabbard could be swayed to support the National CCW Reciprocity bill, granting CCW in Hawaii if you have a CCW permit from another state.  She's been shown to go against the Democrat party and was a victim of stalking in the past.  She's having town hall meetings in Hawaii over the next week to discuss problems and get input from the community.  I'd like to get women who are interested in CCW, and victims of crime to attend the townhall meetings to tell their story.  Since these meetings are packed, I imagine only a couple people would be able to speak about this.  So everyone would write a story on a sheet of paper and give it to her along with posting on her Facebook page.

If she does get swayed and supports it, her vote won't mean much since we need votes in the Senate and not the House.  But it'll be great accomplishment to get a democrat member of congress to support ta 2a bill regardless of her other views.

What do you think?  Oahu meeting is this Saturday evening.


HUDSON Bill HB38 - https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38
Gabbard town hall announcement - https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-announces-statewide-town-hall-tour
Gabbard Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/RepTulsiGabbard/
Stalking incident - http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/10473/As-FBI-Nabs-Alleged-Tulsi-Gabbard-Stalker-Chris-Butler-Cult-Returns-to-Media-Spotlight.aspx

Lānaʻi
Thursday, April 13th
4:45 – 6:30 PM
Lānaʻi Senior Center
309 Seventh Street
Lānaʻi City, HI 96763

Oʻahu
Saturday, April 15th
7:30 – 9:00 PM
Kainalu Elementary School
165 Kaiholu Street
Kailua, HI 96734

Molokaʻi
Monday, April 17th
4:30 – 6:00 PM
Mitchell Pauole Center
90 Ainoa Street
Kaunakakai, HI 96748

Hawaiʻi Island – Hilo
Tuesday, April 18th
7:30 – 9:00 PM
Waiakea High School
155 W. Kawili Street
Hilo, HI 96720

Kauaʻi
Wednesday, April 19th
6:00 – 7:30 PM
Kauaʻi Veterans Center
3215 Kapule Hwy
Līhuʻe, HI 96766

Maui
Thursday, April 20th
7:30 – 9:00 PM
Maui Tropical Plantation
1670 Honoapiilani Hwy
Wailuku, HI 96793

Gordyf

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2017, 06:40:33 PM »
I think I would not hold my breath.
She has not been a notable pro gunner.
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Gordy

Bunker

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2017, 07:21:25 PM »
I agree with Gordy...she isn't as radical as some when it comes to the 2A but I wouldn't count on her to support any pro gun legislation. She has long called for reinstating a federal ban on "military-style assault weapons" and high capacity magazines, and if she had her way it would be reinstated.

FBI

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2017, 11:07:38 AM »
I contacted Tulsi( my congress critter),
I asked her to co-sponsor HB 38 Hudson
bill.  All I heard back was Coqui frogs.
She is a DINO.  She is not a 2A friend.

zippz

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2017, 11:33:50 AM »
I'm not counting on her to be a 2a supporter, I just want her to support this one bill, National CCW Reciprocity.  I'm sure she will still support assault weapons bans and other stuff.  You have to start somewhere even if it's a small thing and maybe it'll be the seed of good things to come in the long run.  You can wait to have a pro-2a supporter in Congress but you're going to be waiting a long time, maybe a decade or two, until new people are elected.  We need to try different things instead of doing things the same way and getting the same results.  I'm open to other ideas or changes.

punaperson

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2017, 03:48:38 PM »
I'm not counting on her to be a 2a supporter, I just want her to support this one bill, National CCW Reciprocity.  I'm sure she will still support assault weapons bans and other stuff.  You have to start somewhere even if it's a small thing and maybe it'll be the seed of good things to come in the long run.  You can wait to have a pro-2a supporter in Congress but you're going to be waiting a long time, maybe a decade or two, until new people are elected.  We need to try different things instead of doing things the same way and getting the same results.  I'm open to other ideas or changes.
You still haven't answered the question: What specifically are you going to do, or suggest others do, to get "her support [for] this one bill"? What would her "values' have to be regarding Second Amendment issues in order for her to be consistent in supporting bans and limited mags, etc. while at the same time supporting legalizing concealed carry in a state with currently zero legal concealed carriers? That's gonna be some pretzel logic. Including, "I want people to be able to use the best tool available for self-defense outside their home, but I also want to make sure they only have 10 rounds of ammo available to do that."

zippz

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2017, 04:14:10 PM »
You still haven't answered the question: What specifically are you going to do, or suggest others do, to get "her support [for] this one bill"? What would her "values' have to be regarding Second Amendment issues in order for her to be consistent in supporting bans and limited mags, etc. while at the same time supporting legalizing concealed carry in a state with currently zero legal concealed carriers? That's gonna be some pretzel logic. Including, "I want people to be able to use the best tool available for self-defense outside their home, but I also want to make sure they only have 10 rounds of ammo available to do that."

" I'd like to get women who are interested in CCW, and victims of crime to attend the townhall meetings to tell their story.  Since these meetings are packed, I imagine only a couple people would be able to speak about this.  So everyone would write a story on a sheet of paper and give it to her along with posting on her Facebook page."

I'm going to try the personal touch where she can relate to other people in person.  Im focusing on HB38 only.

Jl808

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2017, 08:44:44 PM »
it's a good idea. :thumbsup:
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punaperson

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2017, 06:40:59 AM »
Here is a brief article and video about her "town hall" in Kona the other night:

http://bigislandnow.com/2017/04/12/nearly-500-attend-rep-gabbards-kona-town-hall-meeting/

Because I have asked her the question (re bearing arms outside the home and HR38) many times via phone and email and never gotten an answer, and because there is a high probability I wouldn't get a chance to ask my question at the meeting due to crowd size, and because even if I did get to ask her the question there is almost zero probability that anything would change, I've decided to not go to the "town hall".

Let me slightly alter one of her statements: "The state of Hawaii, via its county chiefs of police, has recklessly, illegally and unconstitutionally prohibited the legal exercise of the right to bear arms outside the home for any citizen without giving care and attention to the consequences." Hey, if she's gonna criticize Trump using that language... well, goose and gander, pot and kettle, etc.

I hope all the victims show up and testify and rationality descends upon her. Good Luck!  :shaka:
« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 06:56:34 AM by punaperson »

zippz

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2017, 04:45:56 PM »
If anyone wants to help, or knows someone that does, send me a message.  We'll meet up before the event to go over some things.

punaperson

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2017, 06:34:59 AM »
I look forward to the report on this Oahu "town hall" and exactly how Ms. Gabbard clearly and unequivocably responded to the appeals to support HR38 (or anything at all related to the denied civil rights of Hawaii firearms owners).

I've read the "news" reports of all her "town halls", including the one last night on Oahu. They read identically: she said this and that about this and that. Sounded "managed" to me... which was confirmed by reading this opinion published in Wast Hawaii Today following her "meeting" there:

http://westhawaiitoday.com/opinion/columns/tulsi-s-kona-town-hall-pure-shell-game

Tulsi’s Kona town hall pure shell game

Excerpts:

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard confirmed at the April 11 Kona town hall meeting that 1) she is a skilled manager and manipulator of audiences; 2) that she has a remarkable command of the issues and 3) that her legislative accomplishments as Hawaii’s 2nd Congressional District Representative since 2013 are negligible.

Rep. Gabbard together with her staff and a moderator successfully orchestrated a town hall meeting of limited substance and no controversy.

For the remainder of the program Tulsi answered queries from carefully selected questioners and blasé, written questions selected and read by the moderator. By the end of the program many bored participants had left the meeting.
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1 PM Sunday. Edited to add: The video of the entire town hall meeting has been posted. It is 1:32:55 long. Please tell me where she addresses those who question her about her support for HR38. I can't bear to watch the whole thing, especially after watching the first 10 seconds and seeing the standing ovation.



« Last Edit: April 16, 2017, 01:01:52 PM by punaperson »

FBI

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2017, 01:27:58 PM »
I look forward to the report on this Oahu "town hall" and exactly how Ms. Gabbard clearly and unequivocably responded to the appeals to support HR38 (or anything at all related to the denied civil rights of Hawaii firearms owners).

I've read the "news" reports of all her "town halls", including the one last night on Oahu. They read identically: she said this and that about this and that. Sounded "managed" to me... which was confirmed by reading this opinion published in Wast Hawaii Today following her "meeting" there:

http://westhawaiitoday.com/opinion/columns/tulsi-s-kona-town-hall-pure-shell-game

Tulsi’s Kona town hall pure shell game

Excerpts:

I'm a well known Democrat hater.
What do you expect from Tulsi?
Lest I cross some line,  I'll leave it at that.
I will contribute to mainland guys that support
the Hudson bill. 

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard confirmed at the April 11 Kona town hall meeting that 1) she is a skilled manager and manipulator of audiences; 2) that she has a remarkable command of the issues and 3) that her legislative accomplishments as Hawaii’s 2nd Congressional District Representative since 2013 are negligible.

Rep. Gabbard together with her staff and a moderator successfully orchestrated a town hall meeting of limited substance and no controversy.

For the remainder of the program Tulsi answered queries from carefully selected questioners and blasé, written questions selected and read by the moderator. By the end of the program many bored participants had left the meeting.
* * * * *

1 PM Sunday. Edited to add: The video of the entire town hall meeting has been posted. It is 1:32:55 long. Please tell me where she addresses those who question her about her support for HR38. I can't bear to watch the whole thing, especially after watching the first 10 seconds and seeing the standing ovation.



ren

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2017, 02:46:43 PM »
We'd probably get CCW if it was written in to say Hindu is the state's religion.
Deeds Not Words

punaperson

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2017, 09:41:27 PM »
So I forced myself to try watching Gabbard's Oahu "town hall"... I got to 3:08 when she said (in reference to the AHCA) "...hundreds of millions of people across the country whose Medicaid benefits would have been cut..." and had confirmed for me that I was watching a moron and couldn't possibly sit through another one hour and 29 minutes of such garbage, so i fast forwarded through the rest of it, stopping either every one minute or when her lips stopped moving to hear the next question and the beginning of her answer. Not a single bit of testimony by victims or any others asking her anything at all about Second Amendment rights in general nor about HR38 (National Reciprocity) in particular. Zippz, where were ya man?

The "staff member" who "filtered" the written questions assured the people whose questions did not get publicly asked that they would receive an email response. Sure they will. And it will be as meaningless as all the responses I have gotten via email or telephone asking her to at least make public her position, and rationale for that position, on HR38... that is, totally meaningless. The question filterer did manage to ask "How are we going to impeach Trump?", to the delighted uproarious howls of the audience. (Quickly followed by befuddled grumblings when Gabbard stated that even if Trump could be successfully impeached that Mike Pence would then be president... I guess they thought then Hillary  became president... or Bernie.) Yeah, I'm sure she's gonna vote for a bill to enable disarmed citizens of the only totally disarmed state to be armed in public. She just needs some prodding from crime victims.

zippz

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2017, 01:52:04 AM »
It was a crowded meeting, about 200 or so and looked like most of them were from Kailua (her district is waianae, windward side, and outer islands).  It wasn't what I expected as it was more like a rally where the vast majority of the attendees were supporters.  Or it could be representative of the community since she won 81% of the vote.  She spoke for about 20 minutes then opened it up to questions.  Attendees had to sign a roster with their question and the moderator would select people to come up to ask their question.  I didn't like that format since they could pick and choose the topics they wanted to discuss or not, but it kept the meeting orderly.  I oppose a lot of her views but I thought she answered the questions well, was knowledgeable on the subject, and explained why she did the things she did.  Like her stance on HB38, there were a couple of questions on subjects where stated she hasn't chosen a side yet.  The topics were on stuff you would expect...Syria, obamacare, guaranteed income, Trump, and other mainstream topics.  The only 2a thing brought up was people being disappointed  on her vote against the VA from being able to take guns away from veterans.  I'll attend some other town hall meetings to see if they're any different from this one.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to get any women to testify.  I asked the Well Armed Woman group on Maui for help.  I didn't think Tulsi would remember me from the Guard, but she did.  I was able to talk to her before and after the meeting for a little bit and gave her a letter I wrote about HB38.  It appears to me she's still undecided on it.  On one hand she has to follow her party and constituents views, but on the other hand she has her own experiences.

punaperson

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2017, 06:20:36 AM »
It was a crowded meeting, about 200 or so and looked like most of them were from Kailua (her district is waianae, windward side, and outer islands).  It wasn't what I expected as it was more like a rally where the vast majority of the attendees were supporters.  Or it could be representative of the community since she won 81% of the vote.  She spoke for about 20 minutes then opened it up to questions.  Attendees had to sign a roster with their question and the moderator would select people to come up to ask their question.  I didn't like that format since they could pick and choose the topics they wanted to discuss or not, but it kept the meeting orderly.  I oppose a lot of her views but I thought she answered the questions well, was knowledgeable on the subject, and explained why she did the things she did.  Like her stance on HB38, there were a couple of questions on subjects where stated she hasn't chosen a side yet.  The topics were on stuff you would expect...Syria, obamacare, guaranteed income, Trump, and other mainstream topics.  The only 2a thing brought up was people being disappointed  on her vote against the VA from being able to take guns away from veterans.  I'll attend some other town hall meetings to see if they're any different from this one.

Yeah, just like the other previous "town hall" meetings it was a totally-controlled "we'll allow and discuss only what we want to allow and discuss" format. It's "freedom of speech" as long as you don't say anything we don't want to hear or have to answer to. No surprise there. So did you submit a written question and/or ask to be on the list of "approved" questioners to ask out loud? Even the microphone holders would not relinquish the microphones to the hands of the speakers so if they went "off script" they could instantly be silenced by removing the mic. Thus further confirming my decision not to attend the Hilo "town hall" only to ask a question that I have asked her many times via email and telephone (and she has yet to answer), that will not be asked publicly, and even if it were would not be answered except by political doubletalk. As an aside, did you happen to notice any "armed security" present? Not that that would make her an elitist hypocrite or anything, but I'm just asking out of pure idle curiosity.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to get any women to testify.  I asked the Well Armed Woman group on Maui for help.  I didn't think Tulsi would remember me from the Guard, but she did.  I was able to talk to her before and after the meeting for a little bit and gave her a letter I wrote about HB38.  It appears to me she's still undecided on it.  On one hand she has to follow her party and constituents views, but on the other hand she has her own experiences.

Can you tell us specifically what she said that leads you to conclude she is undecided? What exactly did she say re the pros and cons of bearing arms in general (she's clearly opposed it in the past) or HR38 in particular? She answered a question about the process by which she makes decisions that night when someone asked if she made her decisions based upon what her constituents desired, or what she personally decided was best or right. She, of course, said that the views of her constituents vary widely, so there is rarely unanimity of opinion, thus she depends on her and her staff's "research" to decide a position (I guess that's the same research that let her to state the hundreds of millions of Americans Medicaid funding would be cut by the AHCA). Hudson made HR38 public late in 2016. He introduced it the first day of the legislative session, January 3, 2017. It's now 103 days later. They must be doing a LOT of research. (Of course all the research with the best methodology shows that people that bear arms outside their homes are the most law-abiding people there are: cops are arrested for crimes between (depending on which crimes are included) three and six TIMES as often as CCW licensees.) I call bullshit. She knows what she is going to do. She has known what she is going to do. She just won't make a public announcement because it would cause a flurry of public and private responses, and she has enough of those already.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 06:49:25 AM by punaperson »

punaperson

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2017, 10:18:11 AM »
Too bad there is, perhaps literally, no one in Hawaii to hold Tulsi, Schatz, Hirono feet to the fire like these progressive dems do in Oroville to their Republican rep:

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/04/17/doug-lamalfa-oroville-town-hall/

If it were only one or two people they'd likely get arrested or at least be removed from the meeting, whereas dozens screaming and shouting may do so with impunity. Thus my reluctance to see Schatz or Tulsi in person today. Can't afford the bail.  :shake:

punaperson

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2017, 07:58:59 AM »
Called Gabbard's DC office again this morning asking what her position is on HR38 and was told "She has not made a public statement on that yet". So I asked .1. that she sign on as a co-sponsor of the bill (188 so far), 2. that she at least support the bill, 3. that she make a public statement about her position on the bill as there is no reason that she would not know by now what her position is.

Maybe 20 or so of you might take the 90 seconds to do the same: (202) 225-4906.  :shaka:

Rocky

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2017, 08:59:30 AM »
I contacted Tulsi( my congress critter),
I asked her to co-sponsor HB 38 Hudson
bill.  All I heard back was Coqui frogs.
She is a DINO.  She is not a 2A friend.
FYI
Democrat In Name Only (or DINO in acronym form) is a pejorative term for any member of the modern-day United States Democratic Party whose words and actions are thought to be insufficiently liberal.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

punaperson

Re: Rep Tulsi Gabbard Town Hall & National CCW
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2017, 08:21:43 AM »
Called Gabbard's DC office again this morning asking what her position is on HR38 and was told "She has not made a public statement on that yet". So I asked .1. that she sign on as a co-sponsor of the bill (188 so far), 2. that she at least support the bill, 3. that she make a public statement about her position on the bill as there is no reason that she would not know by now what her position is.

Maybe 20 or so of you might take the 90 seconds to do the same: (202) 225-4906.  :shaka:
Okay, so a whole month has passed since I last called Gabbard and asked about her position on HR38. Apparently I subconsciously was protecting myself from the massive increase in blood pressure that occurs for me during these calls.

Eleven minutes of lame excuses why she hasn't taken a public position. It's disgusting they way these people lie.  >:(

I wish every person that reads this would call and ask them to reveal Gabbard's position and grill them about the excuses they make. How can she keep her oath to uphold "the right of the people to keep AND BEAR arms shall not be infringed" AND NOT support a bill that would restore that legal right to the law-abiding citizens of Hawaii who now, if they exercise that Constitutionally-protected right, are subject to criminal arrest, prosecution and incarceration?